Commerce 40/80 - An LC hand and a question - Page 2

Rumbles · #11 10-09-2005, 11:22 PM

He is indeed obligated to show his hand first, and regardless what he says, you will need to show both cards to win the pot.

HOWEVER, if he releases his hand (with a clear intention to fold), congratulations, you've just won the pot. You can zing your cards into the muck with impunity, because the dealer will award the pot to the last player with cards.

Ulysses · #12 10-10-2005, 12:32 AM

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3) Why is it significant that the Villain was "Mexican" and the guy who just wanted you to play by the rules was black?

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I don't think he meant anything by it, was just pointing out that they are poor and dumb.

Ulysses · #13 10-10-2005, 12:33 AM

The guy is supposed to turn over his hand first, but once he announces jack-high, just flip over both your cards.

andyfox · #14 10-10-2005, 12:39 AM

You could have said "extremely loose player" and "guy next to me." When you say "extremely loose Mexican player" and "black guy next to me" it come across that you felt there was something about the loose player being Mexican that made him loose or the fact that the guy next to you was black having something to do with what he said.

Boris · #15 10-10-2005, 01:20 AM

in general the bettor shows first. but it's not like a rule or anything. With loose live players you are better off to just show your hand as you don't want to embarass them. But if you go to vegas, the locals will often play this stupid game and in that case just show your hand and ask to see the cards.

cpitt398 · #16 10-10-2005, 07:57 AM

I have mixed feeling about the whole racial desription thing. in the intro to George Foreman's Biography he mentions that he will not point out anyone's race when describing people in his book. I found it really compelling and admirable and vowed to try to do the same in my life.

But then I feel it is different when talking about live poker. I will often say the middle eastern guy raised me and I thought he was trying to put a move on me or the Asian lady called my bet in an instant. I truely feel that certain ethniticities can have a certain style when it comes to poker.

I guess its a fine line I try to walk. Either way though, I don't believe race was an issue in the OP story.

gnawk · #17 10-10-2005, 01:01 PM

The best thing to do is to tell the player to either show his cards or muck the hand(in a polite way of course). If he shows his cards you get information, if he doesn't you may occasionally win a pot in which you didn't have the best hand.

BigFishSmallCardRoom · #18 10-10-2005, 01:14 PM

I agree, I always just tell the guy "show or muck" I'm sure I've won with Jack-high more times than I should've.

AJo Go All In · #19 10-10-2005, 01:42 PM

this is pretty much a complete "n00b" move and most people who play a lot will impulsively either turn your card over or tell you to turn it over. it's kind of like playing the C-scale on the piano save for the last note. a musician in the room will want to play the last note.

Dazarath · #20 10-10-2005, 05:39 PM

Thanks for the responses guys. It's not like it was my first time in a casino or anything, but it was definitely the first time I ran into the situation where the person who put in the last bet on the river refused to show his cards. It kind of threw me off and that's probably why I showed only one card. I guess what was going through my head was, "Ok, he said Jack-high, I'll show the Ace to prove that I have Ace-high." I think it's a good suggestion to just show both cards after he says Jack-high, or even after it's obvious that he doesn't want to show his cards, for the purpose of speeding the game up and not causing trouble. In general, I don't ask to see people's cards because I know it irritates some people, but I'll save that line for a time when I'm against a tough player and the information is worth it.