Party/skins breakup.. which site notified its customers?

busguy,

You are an oldhand and I will defer to you.

Having said that:

1) I cannot believe that any skins, given the size of their coomercial activities, would have been party to an agreement that could be revoked with one day notice. That would make me weary about their commercial accumen and therfeore at having any monies of mine in their trust [Really, I don't belive this is possible]

2) As of right now (4:54 PM EST) I still have not received any notice of anything form either Empire or Eurobet. Note that my R*b* connection has notified me (good on you, I'd trust you more than the casino's sites and they are, of course, listed in 2+2 appropriate links.

Again, I want to say, I am not upset about the agreement (or its termination), only about the lack of sensitivity to keeping customers informed, by, what seems to be, any, if not all, casinos site involved.

I have had a fair bit of commercial experience in my life (quite a long one by this forum standard, I would say [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) and this takes the cake!

[DavidC]

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busguy,

You are an oldhand and I will defer to you.

Having said that:

1) I cannot believe that any skins, given the size of their coomercial activities, would have been party to an agreement that could be revoked with one day notice. That would make me weary about their commercial accumen and therfeore at having any monies of mine in their trust [Really, I don't belive this is possible]

2) As of right now (4:54 PM EST) I still have not received any notice of anything form either Empire or Eurobet. Note that my R*b* connection has notified me (good on you, I'd trust you more than the casino's sites and they are, of course, listed in 2+2 appropriate links.

Again, I want to say, I am not upset about the agreement (or its termination), only about the lack of sensitivity to keeping customers informed, by, what seems to be, any, if not all, casinos site involved.

I have had a fair bit of commercial experience in my life (quite a long one by this forum standard, I would say [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) and this takes the cake!

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Here's my spin on this.

We were breaking the T&C by having accounts on more than one skin, right? That kinda shoots our position to hell, doesn't it? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

--Dave.

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I am just speculating here, but I strongly suspect that the separation was as big a surprise to the skins as it was to their customers. I think Party wanted to hand the skins a fait acomplait (spelling?) to avoid injunctions, restraining orders, etc. The whole thing looks like it was intended to be a sneak attack. Party shuts down without notice, not even suspending tournament starts, on a Saturday, no less, so it looks at first like a system crash, then comes up later with Party separated from the skins, and no annouuncement until after people start noticing.

[Brainwalter]

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2) As of right now (4:54 PM EST) I still have not received any notice of anything form either Empire or Eurobet. Note that my R*b* connection has notified me (good on you, I'd trust you more than the casino's sites and they are, of course, listed in 2+2 appropriate links.


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4:54 pm EST?? Check again.

[Guthrie]

Nothing from Empire, except confirmation on my cashout, and nothing from my affiliate who was so eager to sign me up last week.

[CORed]

I, of course, have no idea what the langauge of the contracts between Party and the skins is, but I'm not sure Party can be said to have terminated any agreement. Party has for some time had multi-table tournaments and some cash games that weren't accessible from the skins. Now none of their games are accessible from the skins. The skins still have access to the "existing" (Party's language) network. The question is, did anything in Party's contracts with the skin guarantee them access to Party's games and player base, or did they just agree to provide them access to the network? I suspect that it's the latter, and the skins made a huge, and erroneous assumption, that this would always include access to Party's games and player base. I'm sure lawsuits are forthcoming, but what the ultimate outcome will be is anybody's guess.

[ThePimpulator]

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Here's my spin on this.

We were breaking the T&C by having accounts on more than one skin, right? That kinda shoots our position to hell, doesn't it? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

--Dave.

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Well not entirely. I only have an account with Empire. They all advertized as being the biggest online poker room with 70,000 players. Empire still is saying that on their site. Haven't checked the others. But they should drop me a line to let me know of a significant change in their player base, since they used that line to win my business in the first place.

[AAAA]

Many of us had Empire and Party accounts back in the day when it was allowed.

There are still reasons to have accounts at both, since you cannot play all the tourneys you want unless you do.

I think Party is just checking to see if they can get away with it. The POkerNow skin may possibly be their way of saying they are just opening up more tables for people while still leaving "their" players on the old network.

However, I am certain that Empire had attorneys who are trained in looking for loopholes, and I am willing to bet this wouldn't stand up to the contract Party signed.

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Here's my spin on this.

We were breaking the T&C by having accounts on more than one skin, right? That kinda shoots our position to hell, doesn't it? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

--Dave.

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Not quite right. No commercial contract would stand scrutiny/enforcement if it did involve a requirement to not use a competitor.

OTOH, it is quite permissible for a contract to be terminated at the whim of one of the participants, or, for an entity to refuse to enter a contract with anyone it chooses. That is quite different from not being "allowed" to have accounts with different skins.

I have an account with Empire and one with Eurobet. I had the Empire one first and due to an issue (another story [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) I decided I would never again play on their site. I asked them numerous time to cancel my account, requested instructions on how to delete every remnant of their software from my computer which they did not do, threatened to charge them an very high fee for storing any of their information on my computer. All to no avail. I now only use the Empire account on the rare occasion when they deposit some free money [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] in my account (which they do), which I promptly have run to zero in those instances [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] . Hey that's variance.

I am still extremly annoyed at the lack of communication from Eurobet regarding the split. It may force me to go somewhere else again.

I know I am not breaching any T&C I may have with either skin.

Call me an hypersensitive type person, but I don't like bullies, and, however much I enjoy Poker, the industry (not the players) appears rather insalubrious if not downright sleazy.

[goodguy_1]

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the industry (not the players) appears rather insalubrious if not downright sleazy.


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it took you this long to figure that out-lololol-dont play B&M poker for a living you will really be disgusted by management and moreso the players.