PLO8, how much to bet when you flop nut flush? - Page 2

TheWorstPlayer · #11 10-06-2005, 05:56 PM

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FWIW, I bet around 2/3 of the pot, Cassdog raised the pot with a 7-high flush, and I took his stack. Not saying 2/3 is optimal, but I think something between 1/2 and 2/3 mixes the image of uncertainty and the pricing out of boat draws nicely.

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Go back and bet full pot. I want to know what he does.

Wintermute · #12 10-06-2005, 05:59 PM

He folded.

TheWorstPlayer · #13 10-06-2005, 06:12 PM

Damnit.

Ribbo · #14 10-06-2005, 07:11 PM

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Hmmm I would love to see that quote. Seems contrary to the facts.

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You're so vain, I bet you think this song is about you.
What have you got to do with anything?

Mendacious · #15 10-06-2005, 08:57 PM

Lol--- "pot, your black" (kettle) Re-enable McGyver_B's chat. Its no fun ripping you when you can't respond.

gergery · #16 10-07-2005, 01:11 AM

Bet the same amount you'd bet it you had naked Ac.
And the same amount you'd bet with A2+ two pair/set.

I like 2/3 or full pot bet.

What it comes down to is how a crappy weak player who thinks you are bluffing will react, and they tend to think others will slowplay, just like they would.

-g

Wintermute · #17 10-07-2005, 01:36 AM

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Bet the same amount you'd bet it you had naked Ac.
And the same amount you'd bet with A2+ two pair/set.

I like 2/3 or full pot bet.

What it comes down to is how a crappy weak player who thinks you are bluffing will react, and they tend to think others will slowplay, just like they would.

-g

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See, I think that most crappy players aren't perceptive enough to know how much you'll typically bet in either of those situations you listed. In fact, I don't think many good players are that perceptive (I'm definitely not). When I dry-ace bluff, it's almost always for the full pot, unless it's at the river and I'm check-raising but don't want to risk the full amount. I would never bet 2/3 of the pot for fear that someone weak would interpret that as weakness and play back at me with, say, a 7-high flush.

So I don't buy the idea that the bluff bet size has to = the real hand bet size.

gergery · #18 10-07-2005, 01:38 AM

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Bet the same amount you'd bet it you had naked Ac.
And the same amount you'd bet with A2+ two pair/set.

I like 2/3 or full pot bet.

What it comes down to is how a crappy weak player who thinks you are bluffing will react, and they tend to think others will slowplay, just like they would.

-g

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See, I think that most crappy players aren't perceptive enough to know how much you'll typically bet in either of those situations you listed. In fact, I don't think many good players are that perceptive (I'm definitely not). When I dry-ace bluff, it's almost always for the full pot, unless it's at the river and I'm check-raising but don't want to risk the full amount. I would never bet 2/3 of the pot for fear that someone weak would interpret that as weakness and play back at me with, say, a 7-high flush.

So I don't buy the idea that the bluff bet size has to = the real hand bet size.

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It doesn't have to. It's just a good habit to get into. Many players won't notice. Some will.

-g

Wintermute · #19 10-07-2005, 01:40 AM

Do you think that the EV your consistency in bet size will create in hands w/ good players is enough to offset the EV your designed inconsistency might have in hands with weak players?

I think, for example, that if I bet the full pot here this other guy folds.

gergery · #20 10-07-2005, 01:53 AM

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Do you think that the EV your consistency in bet size will create in hands w/ good players is enough to offset the EV your designed inconsistency might have in hands with weak players?

I think, for example, that if I bet the full pot here this other guy folds.

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I dunno. i find that people will often call my nutflush bets here because they would never bet fullpot with the nutflush. But yes, I think 2/3rd pot generally looks weaker to most.

-g