Inducing the Bluff, KK hand

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Ok got it, but how does a blocker bet work? Say you pot the turn and he calls... the pot is $60 on the river. And say villain has like $90 left or whatever.

Now would we use a blocking bet? Does it have to be like 1/3 pot, fold to a raise? He paid $20 on the turn so we have to keep the pot below $80, right?

[Macquarie]

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Ok got it, but how does a blocker bet work? Say you pot the turn and he calls... the pot is $60 on the river. And say villain has like $90 left or whatever.

Now would we use a blocking bet? Does it have to be like 1/3 pot, fold to a raise? He paid $20 on the turn so we have to keep the pot below $80, right?

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To make a blocking bet (say 30 dollars into 80 dollar pot) you must have enough money behind so that you can fold to a raise.

In your example, a blocking bet of $30 into an $80 pot would leave you with $60, and I think you could now just fold to a push.

If you've got less than a pot-sized bet left on the river, I think you can't sensibly block.

No point in blocking say $20 into an $80 pot. This smacks too much of weakness, and you now can't be sure that a raise after you means you are beaten, and you'll be tempted to call...

If you're going to block you have to make it enough to be resonably sure that a weaker hand won't come over the top of you. You also have to decide that if he does come over you, you will fold. No point in blocking and then calling the raise.....better to check-call than this.

[Riposte]

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To make a blocking bet (say 30 dollars into 80 dollar pot) you must have enough money behind so that you can fold to a raise.

In your example, a blocking bet of $30 into an $80 pot would leave you with $60, and I think you could now just fold to a push.

If you've got less than a pot-sized bet left on the river, I think you can't sensibly block.

No point in blocking say $20 into an $80 pot. This smacks too much of weakness, and you now can't be sure that a raise after you means you are beaten, and you'll be tempted to call...

If you're going to block you have to make it enough to be resonably sure that a weaker hand won't come over the top of you. You also have to decide that if he does come over you, you will fold. No point in blocking and then calling the raise.....better to check-call than this.

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Well what I'm trying to get at, is how can we use a blocking bet while simultaneously making sure that the villain makes a mistake by calling too much on the turn with his flush draw?

If the villain is on a flush draw on the turn, which is 4:1 odds of making his flush, and we pot the turn for $20... what do we do on the river if the villain and hero have deep enough stacks to make a blocking bet sensible?

If the villain is calling $20 on the turn with 4:1 odds, should we make sure the pot doesn't reach $80 on the river, so he makes a mistake? On the river, when calling $20 on the turn, the pot is going to be $60. So, now what do we do? If we bet more than $15, we've just made the villain's turn call correct?

Sorry if this is really basic, I've never even given thought to this kind of stuff before... is this what everyone refers to as pot control?

[Matt Flynn]

bet more preflop and flop. turn is player-dependent.