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10-01-2005, 07:08 PM
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Re: Fun with Donkbets
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mmcd, as a person who respects you and your posts, i dont know what the purpose of this thread is. are you asking us if you made the right play or are you sharing an unorthodox line with us that you think is correct? if its the second, then i appreciate it. otherwise, i dont know how any of us can help you other than tell you that your line is unusual. i understand that you had a read and your read indicated that this was the best line to take to extract maximum value. how can any of us contradict this if that is the case? [/ QUOTE ] It's certainly the second. I think in general, a lot of 2+2ers are reluctant to think "outside the box" in certain situations (as evidenced ny the numerous "3-bet the turn" replies) and tailor their play to exploit meta-game level flaws in their opponents. People want to 3-bet preflop here. Why? Because it's the standard play? People want to 3-bet the turn here. Why? Because it's the standard play? How does doing either one of these things cause my opponent to make mistakes? As a matter of fact, had I 3-bet at any point my opponent would have been far more likely to play his hand correctly. In this hand I was dealing with an opponent who tended to get out of line too often postflop, so I played my hand in such a way as to induce him to get out of line. I'm sure most everyone here has played enough hands to know how over-aggro players respond to getting donkbet (often regardless of whether they have a hand or not). 
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#13
10-01-2005, 07:23 PM
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Re: Fun with Donkbets
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I would 3bet the river. I don't think you'll get capped very often here, and a lot of lesser hands raise the river for value. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I don't 3-bet the turn either though the read has to be correct. Krishan - 40
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#14
10-01-2005, 07:24 PM
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Re: Fun with Donkbets
im glad you posted this hand then. i didnt give you the "3bet preflop 3bet turn" nonsense because i realize that is certainly not what youre looking for as im sure you know what the 2p2 standard is here. im glad you followed through on some of your reasoning for your line, but it would be more helpful if you clarified your reasoning early on to save us the time of filling your thread with prying questions and 2p2 standard lines. however, if you dont have the time to elaborate on your thought process then that is ok too. your posts are welcomed either way.
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#15
10-01-2005, 07:24 PM
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Re: Fun with Donkbets
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[ QUOTE ] mmcd, as a person who respects you and your posts, i dont know what the purpose of this thread is. are you asking us if you made the right play or are you sharing an unorthodox line with us that you think is correct? if its the second, then i appreciate it. otherwise, i dont know how any of us can help you other than tell you that your line is unusual. i understand that you had a read and your read indicated that this was the best line to take to extract maximum value. how can any of us contradict this if that is the case? [/ QUOTE ] It's certainly the second. I think in general, a lot of 2+2ers are reluctant to think "outside the box" in certain situations (as evidenced ny the numerous "3-bet the turn" replies) and tailor their play to exploit meta-game level flaws in their opponents. People want to 3-bet preflop here. Why? Because it's the standard play? People want to 3-bet the turn here. Why? Because it's the standard play? How does doing either one of these things cause my opponent to make mistakes? As a matter of fact, had I 3-bet at any point my opponent would have been far more likely to play his hand correctly. In this hand I was dealing with an opponent who tended to get out of line too often postflop, so I played my hand in such a way as to induce him to get out of line. I'm sure most everyone here has played enough hands to know how over-aggro players respond to getting donkbet (often regardless of whether they have a hand or not). [/ QUOTE ] You are missing a value bet here, no matter how you slice it. Wherever you make the bet (it doesn't matter where...turn, river?) is fine, and I appreciate how this play is thinking outside the box, but you need to make another bet somewhere.
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#16
10-01-2005, 07:26 PM
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Re: Fun with Donkbets
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You are missing a value bet here, no matter how you slice it. Wherever you make the bet (it doesn't matter where...turn, river?) is fine, and I appreciate how this play is thinking outside the box, but you need to make another bet somewhere. [/ QUOTE ] He can't get 5 bets if he 3-bets the turn. That's why I like this line except he didn't 3-bet the river. Krishan - 41
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#18
10-01-2005, 07:39 PM
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Re: Fun with Donkbets
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[ QUOTE ] You are missing a value bet here, no matter how you slice it. Wherever you make the bet (it doesn't matter where...turn, river?) is fine, and I appreciate how this play is thinking outside the box, but you need to make another bet somewhere. [/ QUOTE ] He can't get 5 bets if he 3-bets the turn. That's why I like this line except he didn't 3-bet the river. Krishan - 41 [/ QUOTE ] Exactly right re: not getting 5-bets in by 3-betting the turn. As far as a river 3-bet goes, I probably would have had the b/d flush not hit. Since it did, I think that significantly diminishes my chances of getting paid off by a worse hand (save for maybe a good T or JJ) and getting 4-bet would really suck.
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#20
10-01-2005, 10:01 PM
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getting 4-bet would really suck. [/ QUOTE ] Getting 4-bet is meaningless. If I understand the read, I'd say you are better than 50/50 even after a cap. Krishan - 62
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