Hit set but flop is draw heavy: did I protect or wimp out? - Page 2

Redd · #11 10-01-2005, 11:14 AM

Even if all of your opponents flipped over two [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]s each, you could value-bet this flop.

#12 10-01-2005, 01:53 PM

Raise that flop. You are NOT going to make someone with a flush draw fold to any amount of raises. You're more than likely way ahead of your opponents. Take their money while you can! You have a good amount of outs to boat up too.

#13 10-01-2005, 02:05 PM

I highly doubt you can protect your hand, especially at this level. People will call with all kinds of absurd things. Bet the flop as you are still likely ahead. There's nothing wrong with thinking about protecting your hand, but with 5 other players in the hand, you are simply missing out on value by not betting the flop.

#14 10-01-2005, 02:08 PM

Does raising pf with 9s have a +EV? Is the EV mitigated by the fact that the lower limits are rife with loose players who see Ax and a dream hand?

I think preflop play was right on, but that's me.

numeri · #15 10-01-2005, 03:16 PM

Raise pre-flop. You have a pretty significant edge against a limper and a poster.

On the flop, you should bet for value. You may very well be ahead, and if you are not, you have 7 outs to improve. (And you'll have 10 on the turn.) At no point in this hand will you have the ability to give any draw poor odds. In that case, you should be betting/raising for value.

Aaron W. · #16 10-01-2005, 03:19 PM

It's the classic give up a free card to give them worse odds on the turn play. Don't do that ever again.

Aaron W. · #17 10-01-2005, 03:25 PM

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Does raising pf with 9s have a +EV? Is the EV mitigated by the fact that the lower limits are rife with loose players who see Ax and a dream hand?

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Is it +EV to have players call with hands worse than yours?

bottomset · #18 10-01-2005, 03:36 PM

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Does raising pf with 9s have a +EV? Is the EV mitigated by the fact that the lower limits are rife with loose players who see Ax and a dream hand?

I think preflop play was right on, but that's me.

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you are a pretty sizeable favorite against A2-A9, and a small favorite against AT-AK, you want the bad players who play the garbage aces upfront to pay extra to see the flop, and you get plenty of action on A9x flops, since they can't ever fold it after hitting an ace

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I thought you played it perfectly.

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um easy preflop raise, very easy flop bet(bigger mistake of the 2, and fairly large)

NateDog · #19 10-01-2005, 03:46 PM

On the same line as OP, did the hero here overplay this flop? (Oh, and you gotta love friday late night tables)

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls $2.50 (All-In), MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (21.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 33.25 BB

numeri · #20 10-01-2005, 03:55 PM

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On the same line as OP, did the hero here overplay this flop? (Oh, and you gotta love friday late night tables)

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls $2.50 (All-In), MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (21.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 33.25 BB

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Looks fine. Your equity is huge here. If MP2 or Button folds, calling the 3-bet might be prudent.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,054,143 games 11.297 secs 181,830 games/sec

Board: Ts 3s 5s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 34.2032 % [ 00.34 00.00 ] { ThTc }
Hand 2: 65.4733 % [ 00.65 00.00 ] { AsKs }
Hand 3: 00.1608 % [ 00.00 00.00 ] { random }
Hand 4: 00.1627 % [ 00.00 00.00 ] { random }