AA - value raise on river - Page 2

drewjustdrew · #11 09-30-2005, 03:34 PM

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Here, I probably would have check-called when the 6 rivered.

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Now, you're just being results-oriented. There is no reason for me to think that my hand is not good on the river when I'm first to act.

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No way do I check call the river, but 3 betting seems extreme. I think the chances he calls with a worse hand for the 3rd bet are lower than the chances he calls the one bet or costs you an additional bet and reraises the river with a better hand.

I would bet-call.

callmedonnie · #12 09-30-2005, 04:25 PM

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Here, I probably would have check-called when the 6 rivered.

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Now, you're just being results-oriented. There is no reason for me to think that my hand is not good on the river when I'm first to act.

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No way do I check call the river, but 3 betting seems extreme. I think the chances he calls with a worse hand for the 3rd bet are lower than the chances he calls the one bet or costs you an additional bet and reraises the river with a better hand.

I would bet-call.

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I'm in the same boat. Too weak to three bet, but strong enough to think check calling some seriously weak [censored].

ep510 · #13 09-30-2005, 05:16 PM

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Do you look up his river AF during the hand? Or does something actually plug that into the hud?

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It shows on PA HUD.

detruncate · #14 09-30-2005, 05:59 PM

I don't like it. The chances of him being on a 6 or a bluff or a pair he raises/folds seem too great to make this a value raise unless he's shown a distinct tendency to pay off. A high river aggression could easily be the result of winning a lot of pots pre-showdown via aggression and/or folding a lot. His went to sd #s might help figure this out if you don't have a good read, but I much prefer to have seen him paying off. As a default play against players with these stats I just call the raise until I have a reason to adjust my play.

#15 09-30-2005, 06:15 PM

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Here, I probably would have check-called when the 6 rivered.

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Now, you're just being results-oriented. There is no reason for me to think that my hand is not good on the river when I'm first to act.

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I'm just being results-oriented? WTF do you play for if not results?

silkyslim · #16 09-30-2005, 06:32 PM

im just going to bet/call the river. He could have a lot of things tht beat u, but also be raising as a bluff or with something u beat. I think with the chance u r behind, may get capped, or he will fold, calling is hte best

baronzeus · #17 09-30-2005, 06:36 PM

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Meh. 3 betting here is spewing.

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anyone who says otherwise is wrong. you are NOT ahead of 60+% of his range.

drewjustdrew · #18 10-01-2005, 10:33 AM

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Here, I probably would have check-called when the 6 rivered.

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Now, you're just being results-oriented. There is no reason for me to think that my hand is not good on the river when I'm first to act.

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I'm just being results-oriented? WTF do you play for if not results?

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Results are an outcome based on complete information. The focus should be on thought process and making decisions with only the information available to you at the time. I don't think you were being results oriented, but your strategy of check-calling is likely worse than betting out.

The chance that he checks behind with a worse hand is great.
The chance that he calls with a worse hand is great
The chance that he calls with a better hand that he would have bet when checked to is medium???
The chance that he raises with a worse hand is small.
The chance that he raises with a better hand is great, but the chances that he made a better hand is small.

It's worth 1 or 2 bets on the river, but not worth 0 or 3.

#19 10-01-2005, 11:44 AM

To me that's exactly how I'd play A-K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. He's calling the action pre-flop, to lubricate the size of the feild and increase his pay off. Then he just calls on the turn to keep you keen on the river where he jacks it up hoping for the three bet. I just call. You can't really read him as trying to fold you surely in which case you're you 3-bet is in the red my friend.