Turn play with TPWK and Nut Flush Draw - Page 2

MN_Mime · #11 09-27-2005, 11:21 AM

This was my first reaction. PFR is directly to your left; why wouldn't you go for the check-raise and trap the field?

I also prefer the PF limp here.

lufbradolly · #12 09-27-2005, 12:20 PM

I'd fold preflop.

Flop standard.

Turn you should just call.

You've got to fold this river although a lot of people would call here getting 20-1 with top pair so its not that bad even though i doubt your good here even 2% of the time.

bozlax · #13 09-27-2005, 12:34 PM

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Folding A8s preflop in an unraised pot at a fishy table is waaaaaay too tight.

GrunchCan · #14 09-27-2005, 01:07 PM

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Your flop play makes me wince.

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I thought it was OK considering the dead money. Why didn't you like it?

Call the turn.

davelin · #15 09-28-2005, 07:28 AM

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Your flop play makes me wince.

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I thought it was OK considering the dead money. Why didn't you like it?

Call the turn.

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Check/raise baby...build that pot!

lufbradolly · #16 09-28-2005, 08:16 AM

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I'd fold preflop.

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Folding A8s preflop in an unraised pot at a fishy table is waaaaaay too tight.

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Not when your the first one in and any decent player can then raise and have position on you with a hand that likely dominates yours.

MN_Mime · #17 09-28-2005, 10:47 AM

I don't agree. Position becomes a lot less relevant if you flop your flush draw. As far as other fits go, you should discount your hand if raised like any other hand.

EDIT: And you often have relative position to the bettor to better determine if you have odds to continue.

davelin · #18 09-28-2005, 10:56 AM

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I don't agree. Position becomes a lot less relevant if you flop your flush draw.

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Position is ALWAYS relevant.

lufbradolly · #19 09-28-2005, 11:05 AM

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I don't agree. Position becomes a lot less relevant if you flop your flush draw.

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Yes, but i was talking about preflop.

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GrunchCan · #20 09-28-2005, 11:14 AM

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Your flop play makes me wince.

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I thought it was OK considering the dead money. Why didn't you like it?

Call the turn.

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Check/raise baby...build that pot!

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I was going to say...

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I think we have a better chance to build the pot by *not* facing opponents with 2 cold.

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...but then I realized that MP2 was the PFA, and us leading the pot actually has a greater chance of facing the field with 2 than going for a check-raise. Checking with the intention of raising MP2 is clearly the right play here.