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Old 09-22-2005, 10:13 AM
tiltaholic tiltaholic is offline
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

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if i thought he might fold, i bet/fold the river.

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I don't think that's a reason to bet, since he won't fold a better hand IMO.

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assuming that the read is an aggressive player, he definitely bets when checked to on this river given his range of holdings. though it is hard to say for sure (ie, maybe he's tricky and is planning to raise the river with AA), i think you are looking at a scared 99-JJ or AK, maybe AJs.

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In a 4 handed game I think this range is too narrow.

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points taken.

wrt betting the river, i did think he'd fold a better hand and likely wouldn't raise a better hand either.

as for the shorthanded aspect of the preflop action all i can say is oops and this is why i shouldn't post about SH play.
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

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wrt betting the river, i did think he'd fold a better hand and likely wouldn't raise a better hand either.


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I don't think he's calling to the river planning to fold if he holds a better hand. But I agree about the 2nd part which is one part of why I also think betting this river is better than checking.
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:32 AM
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

Easy bet.
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:34 AM
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

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Easy bet.

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How do you respond to a raise?
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

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Easy bet.

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How do you respond to a raise?

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In general I fold to a raise in these situations, but the problem is, Villain's hand really doesn't make any sense here if he raises our river bet. I bet because you're getting paid off by lots of ace-high hands, in general, 4-handed, and also because of the strength you've shown throughout the hand, checking is a clear sign that you're intending to call, so if he's thinking he should only bet with a hand that beats yours.

So I probably bet and pay off a raise against a truly unknown but seemingly aggressive player, but in general I think bet-folding is sound. The fraction of a bet I lose by bet-calling will usually be earned back later if we continue to play 3-handed, as I'll have more complete information to work with.

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Old 09-22-2005, 11:18 AM
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because of the strength you've shown throughout the hand, checking is a clear sign that you're intending to call, so if he's thinking he should only bet with a hand that beats yours.

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This is giving alot of credit to a seemingly bluffy 1/2er...
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:22 AM
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because of the strength you've shown throughout the hand, checking is a clear sign that you're intending to call, so if he's thinking he should only bet with a hand that beats yours.

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This is giving alot of credit to a seemingly bluffy 1/2er...

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Without knowing that he's a complete LAG, even most seemingly bluffy players can look at your action and say, [censored] it, he's calling.
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:29 AM
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This is giving alot of credit to a seemingly bluffy 1/2er...

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He one time bluffed the turn, we can't assume he's auto betting the river.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:12 PM
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

Hero bets the river and gets called by AJo. I'm still amazed at how much ace-high pays off on the end.

In the past, I used to check-call this trying to induce a bluff, especially here with the paired river and turn flush. It got checked through too often. So now I'm starting to bet them myself.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: River value bet OOP against aggressive villain?

I'm generally betting this river, since he hasn't shown any aggression at all since being raised on the turn. Check/call, as an attempt to induce a bluff, is also a line I might take.
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