Standing/Dancing at concerts??

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I remember when you could go to a concert and actually stand up and move around without a bunch of p*ssy yuppies who seem to think they're at a dinner theater getting in your face.
You guys tell people to quiet down, too?

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I've been to movie thetaers where people of certain persuasions in the audience talked to the characters in the movie. I suppose you would have no objection to that?

I do.

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Please tell me you didn't just compare a Santana concert to a movie.

Sad.

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Movies and concerts are two different things.

I had some overgrown 8-year-old and his wife try to start a fight with me and my girlfriend for standing and dancing at a BB King concert. Not that it makes a difference, but if I sat at this show I would only be able to see the band from the chest up.
Anyway, since I didn't go to the show to beat up retarded people and get arrested for it, I had security come over and talk the guy back into his seat.
Like I said, it's not a dinner theater. Not everyone enjoys sitting in their seats with a contemplative look on their face, giving a polite golf clap when appropriate. Some shows are different. I used to play as a duo with another singer/guitarist, and people sat and watched us politely. That was fine. Then we started an R+B band, and if people were sitting and watching us politely that was a problem.

I always thought of Santana as rock and roll music, not the singer/songwriter/folk/Dylan kind of thing I would expect the stationary crowd for. I don't know this "Radiohead." I'm sure once upon a time at Santana shows, there was nothing but dancing hippies as far as the eye can see.

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Anyway, since I didn't go to the show to beat up retarded people and get arrested for it, I had security come over and talk the guy back into his seat.
Like I said, it's not a dinner theater. Not everyone enjoys sitting in their seats with a contemplative look on their face, giving a polite golf clap when appropriate. Some shows are different. I used to play as a duo with another singer/guitarist, and people sat and watched us politely. That was fine. Then we started an R+B band, and if people were sitting and watching us politely that was a problem.

I always thought of Santana as rock and roll music, not the singer/songwriter/folk/Dylan kind of thing I would expect the stationary crowd for. I don't know this "Radiohead." I'm sure once upon a time at Santana shows, there was nothing but dancing hippies as far as the eye can see.

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The OP made it clear there was ONE person standing in the section. My situation was also ONE person standing in the section. ONE person not 5 or 10 or 30 or half or most of the the section... ONE.

You can argue all you want how people should be acting at a concert... it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE else is sitting than show some courtesy and sit down as well.

Personally, I don't care wether I'm sitting or standing, but if people around me are sitting I'm not going to interfere with their experience.

[touchfaith]

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Anyway, since I didn't go to the show to beat up retarded people and get arrested for it, I had security come over and talk the guy back into his seat.
Like I said, it's not a dinner theater. Not everyone enjoys sitting in their seats with a contemplative look on their face, giving a polite golf clap when appropriate. Some shows are different. I used to play as a duo with another singer/guitarist, and people sat and watched us politely. That was fine. Then we started an R+B band, and if people were sitting and watching us politely that was a problem.

I always thought of Santana as rock and roll music, not the singer/songwriter/folk/Dylan kind of thing I would expect the stationary crowd for. I don't know this "Radiohead." I'm sure once upon a time at Santana shows, there was nothing but dancing hippies as far as the eye can see.

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The OP made it clear there was ONE person standing in the section. My situation was also ONE person standing in the section. ONE person not 5 or 10 or 30 or half or most of the the section... ONE.

You can argue all you want how people should be acting at a concert... it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE else is sitting than show some courtesy and sit down as well.

Personally, I don't care wether I'm sitting or standing, but if people around me are sitting I'm not going to interfere with their experience.

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The sadest part is...I think you're serious.

Let me guess, you would also go to a home game of your favorite sports team, and if you happen to be sitting next to some vistor team fans...you would root for the visitors

Because...you know...you wouldn't want to interfere with their experience right?

How lame.

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Anyway, since I didn't go to the show to beat up retarded people and get arrested for it, I had security come over and talk the guy back into his seat.
Like I said, it's not a dinner theater. Not everyone enjoys sitting in their seats with a contemplative look on their face, giving a polite golf clap when appropriate. Some shows are different. I used to play as a duo with another singer/guitarist, and people sat and watched us politely. That was fine. Then we started an R+B band, and if people were sitting and watching us politely that was a problem.

I always thought of Santana as rock and roll music, not the singer/songwriter/folk/Dylan kind of thing I would expect the stationary crowd for. I don't know this "Radiohead." I'm sure once upon a time at Santana shows, there was nothing but dancing hippies as far as the eye can see.

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The OP made it clear there was ONE person standing in the section. My situation was also ONE person standing in the section. ONE person not 5 or 10 or 30 or half or most of the the section... ONE.

You can argue all you want how people should be acting at a concert... it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE else is sitting than show some courtesy and sit down as well.

Personally, I don't care wether I'm sitting or standing, but if people around me are sitting I'm not going to interfere with their experience.

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I call BS on the whole "one person standing" premise. This is Carlos Santana, A rock and roll legend known for his upbeat guitar and latin rythms. Unless the concert was held in a morgue, I think the OP simnply employed some hyperbole to make his point. That point being that people who look different than him should act more like him; sorry, dude - ain't gonna do it.

When I spend good money to go to a show, I'm going to have fun and act as I see fit, within the bounds of common decency. I won't disrespect others around me simply for the sake of being an ass but I also won't automatically conform to their ideas of what's the proper way to enjoy the show. Remember, this is a cultural experience and part of what makes it an experience, rather than simply a display is that the audience can participate. If you want to sit quitely and enjoy a Santana show, you can probably rent one on DVD, if you choose to join a live audience of several thousand, you can expect that some of your fellow audience members will excercise their right to participate in their own way.

Also, believe it or not, some performers appreciate it when audience members get involved in the show. Several years back, I was at a Peter Frampton concert at a smallish venue (Murat Theatre in Indianapolis). Three friends and I were in the box directly over stage left. We were dancing and having a great time while most of the (middle aged) audience on the floor was simply sitting there as if they were at the symphony. Several songs into the show, Frampton took a moment to let the audience know that it is really OK to get up and live a little. He singled us out and said something like "see them, their really getting their money's worth". He went on to play an awesome show and at the end of his encore looked straight up at us and tossed his pick to my buddy.

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Anyway, since I didn't go to the show to beat up retarded people and get arrested for it, I had security come over and talk the guy back into his seat.
Like I said, it's not a dinner theater. Not everyone enjoys sitting in their seats with a contemplative look on their face, giving a polite golf clap when appropriate. Some shows are different. I used to play as a duo with another singer/guitarist, and people sat and watched us politely. That was fine. Then we started an R+B band, and if people were sitting and watching us politely that was a problem.

I always thought of Santana as rock and roll music, not the singer/songwriter/folk/Dylan kind of thing I would expect the stationary crowd for. I don't know this "Radiohead." I'm sure once upon a time at Santana shows, there was nothing but dancing hippies as far as the eye can see.

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The OP made it clear there was ONE person standing in the section. My situation was also ONE person standing in the section. ONE person not 5 or 10 or 30 or half or most of the the section... ONE.

You can argue all you want how people should be acting at a concert... it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE else is sitting than show some courtesy and sit down as well.

Personally, I don't care wether I'm sitting or standing, but if people around me are sitting I'm not going to interfere with their experience.

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I call BS on the whole "one person standing" premise. This is Carlos Santana, A rock and roll legend known for his upbeat guitar and latin rythms. Unless the concert was held in a morgue, I think the OP simnply employed some hyperbole to make his point. That point being that people who look different than him should act more like him; sorry, dude - ain't gonna do it.

When I spend good money to go to a show, I'm going to have fun and act as I see fit, within the bounds of common decency. I won't disrespect others around me simply for the sake of being an ass but I also won't automatically conform to their ideas of what's the proper way to enjoy the show. Remember, this is a cultural experience and part of what makes it an experience, rather than simply a display is that the audience can participate. If you want to sit quitely and enjoy a Santana show, you can probably rent one on DVD, if you choose to join a live audience of several thousand, you can expect that some of your fellow audience members will excercise their right to participate in their own way.

Also, believe it or not, some performers appreciate it when audience members get involved in the show. Several years back, I was at a Peter Frampton concert at a smallish venue (Murat Theatre in Indianapolis). Three friends and I were in the box directly over stage left. We were dancing and having a great time while most of the (middle aged) audience on the floor was simply sitting there as if they were at the symphony. Several songs into the show, Frampton took a moment to let the audience know that it is really OK to get up and live a little. He singled us out and said something like "see them, their really getting their money's worth". He went on to play an awesome show and at the end of his encore looked straight up at us and tossed his pick to my buddy.

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Thank you. I had a long reply typed up that made some of these points, then lost it, then decided I didn't care enough to continue. One point I wanted to make tho, was, if it's just ONE person standing, how many people can they be blocking? Pretty much just one, right? So you decide who's more important? Or no, it's not that, you demand conformity. After all, that's what rock and roll is about, right? Conformity, sitting politely, nodding your head, maybe wondering which rerun of the Golden Girls is on tonight?

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The sadest part is...I think you're serious.

Let me guess, you would also go to a home game of your favorite sports team, and if you happen to be sitting next to some vistor team fans...you would root for the visitors

Because...you know...you wouldn't want to interfere with their experience right?

How lame.

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You aren't very good at making distinctions or making logically coherant agruments are you?

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The OP made it clear there was ONE person standing in the section. My situation was also ONE person standing in the section. ONE person not 5 or 10 or 30 or half or most of the the section... ONE.



You can argue all you want how people should be acting at a concert... it doesn't matter. If EVERYONE else is sitting than show some courtesy and sit down as well.

Personally, I don't care wether I'm sitting or standing, but if people around me are sitting I'm not going to interfere with their experience.


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I call BS on the whole "one person standing" premise. This is Carlos Santana, A rock and roll legend known for his upbeat guitar and latin rythms. Unless the concert was held in a morgue, I think the OP simnply employed some hyperbole to make his point. That point being that people who look different than him should act more like him; sorry, dude - ain't gonna do it.

When I spend good money to go to a show, I'm going to have fun and act as I see fit, within the bounds of common decency. I won't disrespect others around me simply for the sake of being an ass but I also won't automatically conform to their ideas of what's the proper way to enjoy the show. Remember, this is a cultural experience and part of what makes it an experience, rather than simply a display is that the audience can participate. If you want to sit quitely and enjoy a Santana show, you can probably rent one on DVD, if you choose to join a live audience of several thousand, you can expect that some of your fellow audience members will excercise their right to participate in their own way.

Also, believe it or not, some performers appreciate it when audience members get involved in the show. Several years back, I was at a Peter Frampton concert at a smallish venue (Murat Theatre in Indianapolis). Three friends and I were in the box directly over stage left. We were dancing and having a great time while most of the (middle aged) audience on the floor was simply sitting there as if they were at the symphony. Several songs into the show, Frampton took a moment to let the audience know that it is really OK to get up and live a little. He singled us out and said something like "see them, their really getting their money's worth". He went on to play an awesome show and at the end of his encore looked straight up at us and tossed his pick to my buddy.


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Thank you. I had a long reply typed up that made some of these points, then lost it, then decided I didn't care enough to continue. One point I wanted to make tho, was, if it's just ONE person standing, how many people can they be blocking? Pretty much just one, right? So you decide who's more important? Or no, it's not that, you demand conformity. After all, that's what rock and roll is about, right? Conformity, sitting politely, nodding your head, maybe wondering which rerun of the Golden Girls is on tonight?

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This cracks me up. I have an extensive concert resume-- I saw 77 Dead shows and even one time saw Jerry at the Wiltern where they had put "Please no dancing" flyers on the seats. I've had Bill Graham waive a flashlight in my face telling me not to dance on the chairs. And Roger Daltry announce to the crowd: "Seats were made for standing on!!" Brag over.

Poor Carlos wasn't that rockin. It was solid, but he had many beautiful guitar interludes that demanded more contemplation than twirling. Fat ass overgrown hippie girl didnt understand the difference.

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One point I wanted to make tho, was, if it's just ONE person standing, how many people can they be blocking? Pretty much just one, right? So you decide who's more important? Or no, it's not that, you demand conformity. After all, that's what rock and roll is about, right? Conformity, sitting politely, nodding your head, maybe wondering which rerun of the Golden Girls is on tonight?

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you aren't serious are you? Only blocking ONE person?! Even in the best of circumstances this wouldn't be true. In the situation involving the Radiohead concert we were at the back of the arena, top level within about 10 rows of the last row of seats... one person standing interferes with 2-3 people directly behind him, blocking pretty much the entire stage... he was also blocking a few people two rows behind him.

There are all sorts of scenerios by which my opinion on this changes, we are talking a very specific situation here.

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The sadest part is...I think you're serious.

Let me guess, you would also go to a home game of your favorite sports team, and if you happen to be sitting next to some vistor team fans...you would root for the visitors

Because...you know...you wouldn't want to interfere with their experience right?

How lame.

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You aren't very good at making distinctions or making logically coherant agruments are you?

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Or you are simply ignorant. Either way...[censored] you.

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Fat ass overgrown hippie girl didnt understand the difference.

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How could I argue with such impeccable logic? Especially coming from someone with such an impressive concert resume. 77 dead shows taught you alot about compassion and brotherly love, huh?

I guess the fat ass overgrown hippy girl simply didn't know what to do with herself in those moments of quiet introspection. She's probably too stupid to share your understanding of such subtle insights. Perhaps stewing in the juices of her own fried brain for those moments became too painful to bear and she took the words of the Grateful Dead to heart, "If you get confused just listen to the music play".