Q9s MP

[bozlax]

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I don't understand why you'd raise this if MP calls.

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If MP1 called instead of folding then you've got 2 players staying in the hand so your raise can be for value (assuming that they'll both call one more having put one in already).

[lufbradolly]

Yeah i realize that we have an equity edge it's just that if we raise button folds and SB 3 bets and MP then folds don't we lose a lot on the 2 extra SB's we put in?

I suppose by raising if MP calls we have a chance for the free card.

I just think if MP calls and is trapped in the middle he could easily fold a marginal hand with which we want him to call to pad the pot.

I suppose at the end of the day it's no big deal because its hard to make many mistakes with a hand with so many outs in a pot this big, which is also multiway. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[afk]

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Yeah i realize that we have an equity edge it's just that if we raise button folds and SB 3 bets and MP then folds don't we lose a lot on the 2 extra SB's we put in?

I suppose by raising if MP calls we have a chance for the free card.

I just think if MP calls and is trapped in the middle he could easily fold a marginal hand with which we want him to call to pad the pot.


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You're right, you'd rather not have SB 3-bet and MP fold. However at this level (at least in my days there.. it's been a while) you won't be 3bet all that often, and even if you are MP will quite often come along.

[bozlax]

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Yeah i realize that we have an equity edge it's just that if we raise button folds and SB 3 bets and MP then folds don't we lose a lot on the 2 extra SB's we put in?

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Predicting action like this is really read-dependent. In the absence of a specific read, the default play would be to raise a 2-card flush draw on the flop as long as there were 2 players in the pot already and neither of them raised.

[afk]

I should point out that with just a flush draw you generally want 3 other people coming along. With 2 people you're raising really thin and in some cases you're better off calling - however raising can also grab you a free card. In this case we're paired and have more than just our flush outs to improve so with 2 people the profit margin is wider - however I still call in this spot.

[afk]

holy crap i'm carpal tunnel now.