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If he needed time, then calling time was correct. I have seen players look to their right, notice the moron on their right is not paying attention, and act out of turn on purpose. I have then, in those same hands, seen dealers rake cards in of those who were not paying attention. This usually causes a big argument with everyone. Of course it is the players job to protect his hand, and a good way to do that is to ask the dealer for time.

I was in a tournament one time with "Bob" where everytime it was Bob'sturn he would him and haw and take 2 minutes to make a decision. It was a home tourney, so everytime the action got to this guy and he did not act immediately, I would pushh all-in out of turn. No matter whether I was next to act or 3 players between us to act. That usually made his decision for him, he would fold. Action would get around to me and I would say, "If Bob folded, then I guess I'll fold/call/raise/push" whatever the correct action was.

Needless to say Bob caught on, and sped up his play. Also the whole table thought I was nutty.

[Ulysses]

Did you stare him down too?

[BoxTree]

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dude, you called for time at exposed your hand in a 20/40 LIMIT game? that's lame.

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It made sense for this particular instance. You had to see what had been happening for the previous five hours. I'm not going to defend my position further; it was the right move (or at very worst, only slightly wrong) in this case.

And I needed to call time so I could wait a few moments before asking Villain if he would show one card. Also, calling time prevents the dealer from mucking my hand.

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I'm genuinely curious as to why you thought this was correct.

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I was going to either call the turn and call any river or fold the turn.

I didn't like either option.

I was looking for a way to simply call the turn.

I found it.

That's the long and short of it, anyway.

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Villain wouldn't raise KJo or AJ here? Are you serious? (Not being facetious; I'm generally curious about why villain wouldn't raise KJ after one limper here).

Rob

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He wouldn't show me a Jack if he had AJ (remember, he can see my AK). And he wasn't the type of player to raise KJo after one limper.

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I missed the part where you exposed your hand because I couldn't imagine anyone doing that in a limit game. My reading comprehension sucks sometimes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[BoxTree]

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Did you stare him down too?

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Ha ha ha plop.

I'm not a WSOP wannabee. I actually figured this was the best way to proceed with this hand.

Against many players, they'd just be annoyed if I pulled something like this. But Villain had previously offered such things as "HU Best Hand Wins Preflop" and "Check it all the way" and "Let's each show one card."

FWIW, I didn't even look at him during the hand. I just wanted to see if I had four outs (because he flopped a set) or more (AQ, 88, KQ, JJ, etc.). If he refused to reveal a card, I would have assumed he had a set and folded. (Of course, he may refuse to reveal a card because he only has AJo, but I just didn't think he'd play that hand this way.)

[BoxTree]

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I [can't] imagine anyone [exposing cards] in a limit game.

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Basically, if the pot is small, it's HU, I think my opponent can play this particular hand better than I can, and I think he'll show me one card if I show him two, I'll make this move. I've done it twice in my life and both times I've found it useful. I'm sure I'll do it again in the future.

[TaintedRogue]

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Commerce 20/40, 9-handed

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button.

2 folds, 1 limper, 2 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, folds around to CO who calls.

Flop (HU, 8 sb): Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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I hate it when that happens..........

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CO bets, Hero calls

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I raise to get a free card or find out just how bad I'm sitting sooner.

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Turn (HU, 5 bb): 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

CO bets, Hero...

...hesitates for a while considering that Villain is a tight, aggressive, and tricky player. Hero turns his hand face up and asks for time. After a brief while, Hero asks Villain to show Hero one card. Villain turns over J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero decides that Villain has JJ or JK. JK isn't likely unless it's precisely J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], since Villain wouldn't preflop raise here with KJo. Probably. Anyhow, Hero puts Villain on JJ. Hero is aware that there are 6 bb in the pot and that his outs against JJ are the three aces, the two jacks, and the three kings. Hero has 8 happy cards and 36 sad cards. 36:8 > 6:1. Hero calls.

River is a jack.

Villain shows JJ. Hero wins.

Hero realizes that Hero is an idiot.

Against JJ, the three kings are NOT outs. They make Villain a straight. This was the reason Villain showed Hero the Jack: Villain wanted Hero to fold instead of chase!

Hero was actually only getting 39:5 on his call. 7.8:1 < 6:1. Hero should fold.

Even when Hero has complete information, he sucks. No wonder I'm not a grandmaster at chess. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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A Grandmaster at chess!! I'm 1546......good to meet you....
And your real name is:

[DcifrThs]

did it at any point occur to you that you lose the river bet 100% of the time you expose your hand and hit the j? but have something of implied odds if he has JJ and you can gain a bet on the river...this does indeed offset some of the cost of drawing dead/slim


Barron

[BoxTree]

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did it at any point occur to you that you lose the river bet 100% of the time you expose your hand and hit the j? but have something of implied odds if he has JJ and you can gain a bet on the river...this does indeed offset some of the cost of drawing dead/slim


Barron

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It certainly occurred to me. I also knew with nearly 100% probability that he would check/FOLD if he rivered a set. If I bet the rivered Jack when checked to, he'd put me on AK (nuts), KK (still good), or QQ (also good). My lack of a flop raise pretty much told him that I didn't flop a set, have AA, or AQ. He knows I'm not 3-betting preflop with a hand other than AK, AQ, or AA-TT. Maybe 99 or 88. Or AJs.

So, I sacrificed something in implied odds, but not nearly as much as you think.

[BoxTree]

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No wonder I'm not a grandmaster at chess. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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A Grandmaster at chess!! I'm 1546......good to meet you....
And your real name is:

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Heh, I'm not a Grandmaster at chess. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]