$10/20... Marginal 44 in MP...

[TheMetetron]

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fold preflop and fold the flop, next

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Can you coach me? You are so good....

I've received vindication twice now by respected posters via AIM for the flop raise, they both really liked it. They both said they'd fold preflop though (I think 55 is an easy raise, 44 depends).

I don't mind someone disagreeing with this, but please back it up.

Anyways, continuing with the hand:


Flop:

CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn (10.5 BB) 8 (completes rainbow)

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets....

[TStoneMBD]

yes fold preflop (not as obvious) and fold flop.

too likely you are behind to preflop raiser. if youre ahead its only by a decent amount vs his overs. QQ flopped. while it makes it less likely a Q is out there, with coldcallers in the hand and a 3 bettor out of position you are just praying the SB has AK and the others have combinations of Ax and JT.

[oreogod]

I agree that the raise is marginal-ish preflop. 55 for sure I raise.

Flop, raise or fold time obviously. Having no reads sucks, but u are probably ahead and a raise could force 55-99 out of the pot if u follow up w/ a turn bet (how likely, dunno). Either way I think it looks fine so far.

EDIT: I just saw it was SB 3-betting.

[bugstud]

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fold preflop and fold the flop, next

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Can you coach me? You are so good....

I've received vindication twice now by respected posters via AIM for the flop raise, they both really liked it. They both said they'd fold preflop though (I think 55 is an easy raise, 44 depends).

I don't mind someone disagreeing with this, but please back it up.

Anyways, continuing with the hand:


Flop:

CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn (10.5 BB) 8 (completes rainbow)

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets....

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solid. Hit a 4 on the river for emphasis. Or just get called down by AK or AK anyway.

[helpmeout]

You got an underpair? Against a flop bet and a call on a drawless board with no reads.

What is there to discuss?

How would you like to lose extra bets on the turn and river?

Go for the bet the turn get checkraised by a Q and fold or have a 7 call and check the river?

Or check the turn induce a bet from a 7 or Queen and call?

[TheMetetron]

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yes fold preflop (not as obvious) and fold flop.

too likely you are behind to preflop raiser. if youre ahead its only by a decent amount vs his overs. QQ flopped. while it makes it less likely a Q is out there, with coldcallers in the hand and a 3 bettor out of position you are just praying the SB has AK and the others have combinations of Ax and JT.

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The coldcallers are idiots preflop. I don't know if that helps. I don't remember anything more than that. Their cold calls could be a huge range of dumb stuff that I think they will definitely fold here.

My concern is do I have SB beat enough and do the other donks not have a Q or 7 often enough, for me to have enough equity.

I can almost certainly fold 55-99 from the idiots behind me with my raise, there's a small chance they fold a 7.

Playing this hand after the raise is going to be super easy, so my reverse implied odds aren't as bad as one might think at first.

[TheMetetron]

I'm definitely betting the turn if its 3 handed or less (and one of the players didn't call 2 cold on the flop).

BB is calling with anything in that spot getting 16:1. His hand concerns me only very little.

[TheMetetron]

PFR 3-betting range to me was AK,AQ, AJs, maybe ATs, JJ+, maybe TT

Someone want to do one of those cool things that does hand combinations and stuff. They never were my forte.

[me454555]

I still don't like the flop raise. Everyone behind you is getting 9.5:1 to call 2 cold so I'm not sure how many will fold. You're also likely to get it 3 handed w/sb and bb on turn. If BB folded, I think the raise is more justified but these people will coldcall more liberally and there is zero chance of getting it HU.

I like calling the flop b/c you almost have odds to draw to your set and you don't risk getting 3 bet by sb.

The other thing that worries me is sbs flop lead. Do overcards lead into that many people in a pot that is clearly protected? Sb's 3bet pf combined w/the flop lead is a great show of strenth and you are likely be drawing to as litle as 2 outs.

[helpmeout]

Every blue moon you win this hand unimproved all the other times you get shown a better hand or get sucked out on.