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Old 09-13-2005, 04:48 AM
siccjay siccjay is offline
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I also figured if they may have felt safe with the 2 pair counterfited

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um you may want to rethink this comment

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No doubt.
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:13 AM
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I figured they had one pair and put me on 2 pair. With the board paired they no longer need to worry about that. Is this wrong thinking?
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:27 AM
imported_The Vibesman imported_The Vibesman is offline
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Default Re: Am I being too aggressive here

Not too aggressive, too tricky - just bet the turn. You don't want this getting checked through. I also don't like the checkraise because there are a good amount of hands you could be behind here.

I fold to a turn raise, if I'm leading.

The river also looks like a bet-fold to me, but if I get called in both spots on the turn, I really don't like betting. With reads the river could go differently, bet/call, bet/fold, check/call, even check/fold, dependant on how loose or passive your opponents are.

From the action on the hand, I think MP2 has AT, AJ or something along those lines, and that MP3 has a smaller pocket pair and is along for the ride come hell or high water.
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:29 AM
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Default Re: Am I being too aggressive here

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I figured they had one pair and put me on 2 pair. With the board paired they no longer need to worry about that. Is this wrong thinking?

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Old 09-13-2005, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: Am I being too aggressive here

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I figured they had one pair and put me on 2 pair. With the board paired they no longer need to worry about that. Is this wrong thinking?

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Are you joking? What two pair are they putting you on?
C'mon. I would be putting you on AA-88,AK,AQ,AJ,KQ for starters.
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: Am I being too aggressive here

AT and Ax(small like 5)
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:34 AM
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Default Re: Am I being too aggressive here

wow - good point. I gotta get more sleep. That one dumbass thought changed the way I would have played this hand

Thanks.
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:44 AM
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Default Re: Am I being too aggressive here

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I am mostly concerned with the turn raise - after they called into me I play possum figuring one will bet and the I cr. But is this the right play with the flush draw and an A out?

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The problem with this play is it will just cause a weak ace to pull back into his shell, but gain you no information, nor does it get you to showdown cheaply.

Based on your read, I'm going to have a hard time playing KK against a flopped ace. I would play it the same up to the flop bet; then you can either call down or 3-bet when raised. If you 3-bet and it's capped, I think you have to fold the turn UI, so I prefer to just call down and get to showdown for the same money (unless, of course, they go to war with each other).

Edit: oops, I was thinking about another hand. I keep betting until one of them plays back at me. It seems that they don't have an issue with being aggressive when they catch a piece, so, presumably, one of them is going to raise you on the turn if he's got the ace.

I still don't like the turn c/r, tho, for the reasons stated. Also, you have no guarantee that either Villan will bet for you.
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