Proposed solution to perception of online poker being rigged - Page 2

Neil Stevens · #11 09-13-2005, 12:17 AM

Won't work.

No matter what you do, there will be some losing player who concocts a new conspiracy theory.

And the idea of a central deck authority would be fertile ground to spin many a tale.

Voltron87 · #12 09-13-2005, 12:18 AM

1. this is not a major problem

2. people who are convinced that its rigged dont have the mental capacity to understand an mathematical or logical explanation of how it isnt. so its a waste of time.

Sniper · #13 09-13-2005, 02:52 AM

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Many posters here do 10x better job of predicting the flow of online poker than the analysts do.

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In theory, smart online poker players that do their homework, should be better evaluators of what going on with each individual poker site. The problem is, most do not keep up with all the available data on all the sites that are out there. The few that do, do have an advantage.

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If the growth is so high, why has party been stuck at 70-80K since April?

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The max online at any given time on one site, does not show a true and complete picture of the entire market.

We know from Party's revenue per user is down, which implies more players playing for shorter periods of time. As their revenue in total is up significantly.

Also, Party is losing market share to other sites.

Sniper · #14 09-13-2005, 02:55 AM

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Those kinds of numbers reflect number of people with accounts with poker sites.

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Thats correct, but isn't that the point!

If there were a significant number of people stopping playing online poker because of rigging concerns, the totals would be going down, not up!

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I personally know about a dozen people who play poker regularly, but do not trust online sites.

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Obviously, if they truly didn't trust the sites, they wouldn't be playing!

Voltron87 · #15 09-13-2005, 03:00 AM

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Obviously, if they truly didn't trust the sites, they wouldn't be playing!

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theyre playing live poker

Sniper · #16 09-13-2005, 03:09 AM

I take it scarr is your troll account [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

MicroBob · #17 09-13-2005, 03:31 AM

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the fact that these sites have to operate offshore, does cause suspicion, or lack of trust.

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although there are SEVERAL online sports-bettors and/or poker-players aren't even aware that they are gambling via an offshore company.
Many people think PartyPoker is an american company as crazy as that may seem.

However, if it were regulated in the U.S. and an online-poker site called "Bellagio Poker Online" or even Harrah's or Caesar's or Binion-Horseshoe Online...or better still 'Official WSOP Satellites and Cash-Games Online' or whatever...then certainly there would be less skeptism out there and probably more trust.

You're dealing with two different camps though...although they kind of mix.
one group thinks the site rig it purposefully to generate more rake or keep the fishies alive or whatever.

Another group just thinks that a computer-shuffled deck always comes out kinda funny or 'less random' than a hand-shuffled deck. The cards just aren't as true (supposedly) no matter their honest intentions.
They'll always say some nonsense like "See....you could just TELL that the flush-draw was going to hit for him...because that's how it always happens online and you can just FEEL when it's coming. It's obvious that the draws hit more frequently online than they do in a REAL card room."

And it's this second group of players who just think it's impossible to get 'true' cards online that will likely not even buy into 'Binion's Horseshoe Room Online' or 'Harrah's online' or whatever.

They just HAVE to see the freaking cards themselves.
Even though a good card-mechanic could be messing with the cards in front of their very eyes they don't care.

If they can see it then they trust it.
Otherwise they think the cards are rigged against them, government is conspiring to send UV rays into their genitals , and Ethel Mormon is putting extra flouridation into the drinking water.

FlFishOn · #18 09-13-2005, 09:28 AM

"... the number of people who are not playing because they think poker is rigged, is very small! "

Really? Please cite your evidence.

Pulled it out your ass, didn't you?

FlFishOn · #19 09-13-2005, 09:33 AM

"No matter what you do, there will be some losing player who concocts a new conspiracy theory."

Plenty of winning player are in on it too.

meow_meow · #20 09-13-2005, 09:42 AM

Let me ask a serious question:
Does it really matter if losing players think poker is rigged?
I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't.

What is the alternative? If everyone had full confidence that the games were straight, losing players would be forced to admit that they suck.

I submit that a player who thinks he is being cheated at site A is more likely (or at least as likely) to play more poker (albeit at sites B, C and D) than the player who actually realizes that they aren't any good.

Let the masses have their fantasies about rigged sites, cashout curses, etc... It delays (sometimes permanently) the day when that lightbulb goes on over their heads and they either quit or get serious about learning to play.