Broke players are because of poker or external factors

[JackStorm]

Some winning players do complain. Just read thru the forums.

I should have made it clear that I meant "95+% of the time". Almost all humans complain sometimes but poker winners will complain to a much lessor extent than losing players. I know Hellmuth complains a lot but I think he does that for image and character reasons.

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If somebody is losing in poker they are doing it to themself.

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This not entirely true, even a winning player will have losing streaks, sometimes very large and long ones, this is called variance. The winning players who survive these drawdowns KNOW that these losing streaks are expected!

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Yes this is obvious buit again I meant it in an overall sense. Winners will have losing streaks and losers will have winning streaks but for our ultimate results are responsible for our own results our calls, folds, raises etc. If you are playing live 10/20 in a good game with a $5000 BR for 500 hours and you are not winning than you are beating yourself

[KneeCo]

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Wouldn't you agree that the primary reason "successful" players lose their bankroll, is poor bankroll management?

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Agreed. I'm gonna start printing t-shirts:
"Poker is easy, bankroll management is hard."

[primetime32]

I think some of the better poker players went broke because of personal reasons outside of poker. Many poker pl ayers have gone broke because of sports gambling, craps/blackjack, drugs and bad life management. A "good player" is not a good player if he loses money at poker, for whatever reason.

Its like someone saying that he is a great poker player and would have a big profit if not for the times he goes on tilt. It makes no sense.

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If you are playing live 10/20 in a good game with a $5000 BR for 500 hours and you are not winning than you are beating yourself

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500 hr @ 30 hands/hr = 15K hands. Streaks (good or bad) can easily last this long.
The long run may be longer than you think . . .

External factors can break a player quite easily...

Wife losses job [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

You get seriously ill [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[censored] happens... Try explaining to your wife that the big chunk of money you have, is a tool to make more money and not a source of cash to bail her brother out of jail.