My flaw costs me a huge pot(a case for checkraising)

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Why do you want to clear out a bunch of players behind you? You have a monster hand on a ragged, relatively drawless board. You WANT people calling so you can get paid off on your set. Trap the field.



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um there is a fd, 2OESD possible, and a ton of gutshots, you really wouldn't mind folding out any gutshots, or at least give them bad odds

you need to worry more about your hand here, folding [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or single [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] can also be helpful.

[Marquis]

A set gives you the best hand AND the best draw. Build a pot.

That sure looks like a tough game, though. How could you win when these guys will call with ANYTHING?

[jrz1972]

On the flop, there is neither a flush draw nor any likely OESD (I'm not overly worried about 42 or 64).

By trapping the field and tying people to the pot, we definitely increase our risk of getting our set cracked. But we also increase the size of the pots that we win. Most of the time, with this particular board, our opponents are drawing practically dead, and even if they get lucky we have a strong draw to a boat. In the long run I think you should be happy to have [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or somesuch coming along for the ride, even if it costs you an occasional pot. It's all EV.

Edit: I missed the two hearts on the flop every time I looked at it, so yeah I see the flush draw there now. Still, you're not driving it out anyway.

[lautzutao]

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um there is a fd, 2OESD possible, and a ton of gutshots, you really wouldn't mind folding out any gutshots, or at least give them bad odds

you need to worry more about your hand here, folding [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or single [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] can also be helpful.

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Ok, this is what I was originally thinking when I first reviewed the hand. I'm not gonna drive out the FD, but I DO want to make the Gutshot's draw unprofitable.

Appreciate the feedback, please keep it coming.

[jrz1972]

Hey, there is a flush draw there. Every time I looked at this hand it looked like [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to me. Go figure.

Not that that changes anything.

[bottomset]

I want gutshots calling 2cold incorrectly on the flop, not calling 1bet twice, both times correctly .. and if they fold, hey I picked up 4safe cards, that would have cost me this huge pot

also you guys underestimate the times UTG checks this flop with AK, AQ which outnumber the bigpairs that will bet.

[car ramrod]

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That sure looks like a tough game, though. How could you win when these guys will call with ANYTHING?

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I assume you kidding

[krimson]

The only mistake you made on this hand is being results oriented and thinking you made a mistake.

Played perfectly, I play it the same.

[closer2313]

You have over 60% equity on the flop and and getting closer to 70% of the turn. Just concentrate on getting bets in.

[jrz1972]

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I want gutshots calling 2cold incorrectly on the flop, not calling 1bet twice, both times correctly .. and if they fold, hey I picked up 4safe cards, that would have cost me this huge pot

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It is the exact same thing whether they call one bet at a time or two at once. You make the same amount of money in either case.

Look at it this way. You have a gignormous equity edge over a gutshot. For that matter, you have a huge equity edge against a flush draw or oesd (I think you only lose about 2/9ths of the time against those "strong draws.) Whether it is "correct" for the draw to call doesn't concern me; what concerns me is that I make a lot of money off every bet that goes into the pot.