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#11
08-29-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
In response to the check/raise flop question. It's read dependant; I think there are some players where this is OK with. I agree though that in general it probably shouldn't be done.
As for c/r the river. The reason you haven't been played back at is because the flush card just came. A flush draw may or may not raise the flop, and a donkbet on the turn isn't that great either. Him betting here can't tell us it has a flush, but we can't be sure he doesn't. Re-raising him says "4-bet me with your flush please" risking the raise on the river isn't worth it. There's also 3 to a straight out there (reasonable card straights too). MUBS, maybe, but I don't like 3-betting this river at all. 
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#12
08-29-2005, 10:47 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> what makes you think it's spewing? we haven't been pushed back once and he only bet after we had checked. [/ QUOTE ] MP1 didn't have a flush to push back with until now. Most players don't know to raise their draws. If I make my flush on the river and the guy I was planning to raise just checks, I'm going to have to bet it myself. I think we have enough equity to call but I don't know that we're ahead. I'm just interested to hear arguments. [/ QUOTE ] hero should have just bet the river. c/c seems really weak. if we are going to c/c and someone bets behind us i think we can raise and fold to a 3bet since we're getting paid off often enough from an A or K. But i'm not convinced w/ the c/r but i dont like the c/c really, however i dont know exactly why.
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#13
08-29-2005, 10:48 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> Read dependant, but I probably at least consider check-raising this flop. [/ QUOTE ] Where is my bet going to come from? This would be a bad flop to let get checked through. I think betting out is better here..it is for value. [/ QUOTE ] i dont like a flop c/r either.
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#14
08-29-2005, 10:49 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
I don't like raising this from the bb. This is hand that is going to very difficult to play post flop especially OOP. I think you need to lead the river, costs you one extra bet if someone has caught a flush, but I think you leave money on the table when they don't. Might even get checked through.
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#15
08-29-2005, 10:54 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
I'm sure this is somewhat results oriented, but I think a c/r on the flop would run off at least one caller. I don't have a problem calling the river any more than I'd have a problem check/calling with 2nd pair after leading the whole time.
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#16
08-29-2005, 10:57 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
Do we really wanna chase Q8o and A6o out of the hand?
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#17
08-29-2005, 10:58 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
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I'm sure this is somewhat results oriented, but I think a c/r on the flop would run off at least one caller. I don't have a problem calling the river any more than I'd have a problem check/calling with 2nd pair after leading the whole time. [/ QUOTE ] The only callers we chase off are drawing almost dead in the first place, so they can hang out and sip some punch in our pot. Anyone with a strong draw such as a flush or JT is going exactly nowhere. irishpint - I agree, I like a bet/call. I have no problem with two bets on the river, I just think that ours should be the first and that if anyone else bets or raises we need to call it. Unless of course it goes bet-raise-3bet, in which case, toodles.
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#18
08-29-2005, 10:59 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
i won't raise 99 in the big blind until i have a read on the players.
i think this is just a routine river value bet. no reason to check this river.
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#19
08-29-2005, 11:02 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I'm sure this is somewhat results oriented, but I think a c/r on the flop would run off at least one caller. I don't have a problem calling the river any more than I'd have a problem check/calling with 2nd pair after leading the whole time. [/ QUOTE ] The only callers we chase off are drawing almost dead in the first place, so they can hang out and sip some punch in our pot. Anyone with a strong draw such as a flush or JT is going exactly nowhere. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my point. Let the dead hands stay. I don't want them chased off.
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#20
08-29-2005, 11:03 PM
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Re: Passive Fun with a Set (check my autopilot)
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm sure this is somewhat results oriented, but I think a c/r on the flop would run off at least one caller. I don't have a problem calling the river any more than I'd have a problem check/calling with 2nd pair after leading the whole time. [/ QUOTE ] The only callers we chase off are drawing almost dead in the first place, so they can hang out and sip some punch in our pot. Anyone with a strong draw such as a flush or JT is going exactly nowhere. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my point. Let the dead hands stay. I don't want them chased off. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, your post wasn't exactly clear that you felt chasing off a caller was a BAD thing. Alright then, carry on.
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