Was Hitler right when he said.........

[Cyrus]

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Assume the Reich never breaks up. Assume it lasts as long as Hitler dreamed it would. Assume a world of the 'Thousand Year Reich.'

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Then you are answering your own question! Stalin's "empire" collapsed less than forty years after his death. A thousand-year Reich means that almost certainly Hitler is a hero.



I answered Yes to your poll without assuming anything like what you posted above.

[Dynasty]

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Stalin is not seen as a hero despite the soviet union being among the victors of WWII

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I believe Stalin is very well liked in the Soviet Union. In fact, I think his popularity has grown since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

[A_C_Slater]

You're right, Dynasty.

In fact, I think they lovingly refer to him as "Uncle Joe."

(Seriously, this is what they call him.)

[Quercus]

It is not clear that had he won he would have been revered. I suppose it all depends on who you asked. Strictly in terms of population, there would have been far more "losers" had Hitler won than "winners."

Its hard to imagine any amount of foreign indoctrination convincing, say, Jews, Russians, Britons or Americans that Hitler was a hero.

[A_C_Slater]

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It is not clear that had he won he would have been revered. I suppose it all depends on who you asked. Strictly in terms of population, there would have been far more "losers" had Hitler won than "winners."

Its hard to imagine any amount of foreign indoctrination convincing, say, Jews, Russians, Britons or Americans that Hitler was a hero.

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No. There would never be a cohesive world view that Hitler was a hero in his lifetime but future generations indoctrinated into the Third Reich ideology would all agree that he was indeed a hero.

This is of course, if there is an actual garrisoned presence of SS in all the defeated countries (America, England, Russia.)

[Quercus]

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...but future generations indoctrinated into the Third Reich ideology would all agree that he was indeed a hero.

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Uh, no.

You don't have to look hard in this very country to find people who believe Abraham Lincoln was evil incarnate, despite a hundred years of positive reinforcement of his hero status. If you can't convince everyone of *his* glory, how in the world are you going to do it for a foreign conquerer?

[A_C_Slater]

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...but future generations indoctrinated into the Third Reich ideology would all agree that he was indeed a hero.

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Uh, no.

You don't have to look hard in this very country to find people who believe Abraham Lincoln was evil incarnate, despite a hundred years of positive reinforcement of his hero status. If you can't convince everyone of *his* glory, how in the world are you going to do it for a foreign conquerer?

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But the majority of the population believes "honest" Abe was a good guy for freeing the slaves. Of course there would be dissenters in the Thousand year Reich. That's what the SS is for, and all those dissenters (libertarians) would be viewed by the majority of the Reich population the way we view racist red-necks who hate Abe Lincoln cause he freed the slaves.

They would be objects of scorn.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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But the majority of the population believes "honest" Abe was a good guy for freeing the slaves.

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That's an excellent example of how a majority of the population can be fooled even after so many years. The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in the rebelling states (over which Lincoln by definiton had no power) only; it did absolutely nothing for the slaves in the North.

Lincoln gets credit for freeing the slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation when all it was was straight political hedging. Brilliant hedging, but far from the superhuman nobility that people associate with it.

Of course, straight commonsense thinking will tell you that there's no way in hell a president is going to be able to upset a deep-seated economic institution singlehandedly, no matter how vile that institution (or how great that president) may be.

[Jordan Olsommer]

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And you DO owe me an explanation, for I am your intellectual superior.

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Oh yeah? What about that time you almost had to miss the big game because you and the rest of the football team were failing history class and you got mad at Kelly Kapowski who was temporarily teaching for not letting you slide?

Sometimes I wonder where you would be today if Screech hadn't given you the answers...

[RJT]

Known as the greatest hero by whom? By his followers? Yes, of course. By anyone with a brain larger than a pea? Nope.

Do you really need further explanation regarding what constitutes a hero?