turn semibluff vs 2 players

I don't like it. Someone has you beat at this point and your raise isn't forcing someone to call 2BB cold, so it just looks to me like you're sweetening the pot for whoever has the best hand. If you could force out a player and buy some outs, the raise would have some value.

You might get UTG to fold, but given MP is a calling station at this point, there's no reason to believe he won't call again. Maybe, maybe, you'll make UTG fold a better hand and MP has a worse hand and is on a draw and will check behind on the river. However, I seriously doubt that's the case often enough to warrant the turn raise.

Oh, and I check the flop. If you get enough callers, I check/raise for value, otherwise you might as well see the turn for 1 bet. You're not taking down the flop with a bet, so it'd better be for value. You're out of position, so you're not getting a free card either.

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I also think don't like how my hand gets defined when the action goes bet, raise and I have to coldcall 2.


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You can choose to 3-bet in that case. If it folds out UTG, that's fine as it may have bought outs. If he calls, that's fine too as you're getting decent value on your nut flush draw. Now you've disguised your draw quite well.

[jba]

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In that hand there was no PFR so you are coming out of the blind with a huge draw and you have no idea if or where the flop bet will come from. This hand the PFR is to hero's immediate left and will autobet the flop 3 handed almost always.

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But the comments in that other thread suggest that leading the flop is better because they expect to be able to 3-bet.

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there was a PFR in that other hand.

In that hand, we have 15 outs to a very strong hand, so if that hand goes bet/fold/raise/reraise, our 3bet is for value even though we are only heads up -- our equity is >50%. In this case we cannot 3-bet for value heads up with only the flush draw.

[surfdoc]

Here is how this hand played out. I was actually amazed that this play failed (given his holding) and was wondering if the villian here picked up on something or just calls down a lot. His A high call down was sick IMO given the play I put on here.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 14.20 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has As 6s (high card, ace).
UTG has Ac Qd (high card, ace).
Outcome: UTG wins 14.20 BB. </font>

[me454555]

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I will sometimes be picking up 3 outs when villian has TT-KK.

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This is a false statement b/c if the other player folds an ace, you only pick up 2 outs, not 3. This would make me less inclined to eliminate the player w/a pot this small.

[surfdoc]

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I will sometimes be picking up 3 outs when villian has TT-KK.

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This is a false statement b/c if the other player folds an ace, you only pick up 2 outs, not 3. This would make me less inclined to eliminate the player w/a pot this small.

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Good point, my mistake.