I know better than this...

[numeri]

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as soon as I clicked "call" I knew I was an idiot.

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Uh, why? I mean, aside from the "never slowplay anything" line of thinking, why specifically? If either of them has an OESD, a flush draw or a made straight you're not going to get them to fold to one bet, or even two, short-handed. What alternative line should you have played? Use the FTOP: if BB shows you his KJo (or even J9o) and SB shows you his Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the flop, what are you going to do differently?

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Raise for value:

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Board: Qc Ts 8c

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 59.3231 % [ 00.59 00.00 ] { 8s8d }
Hand 2: 16.0922 % [ 00.16 00.00 ] { KJs, KJo }
Hand 3: 24.5847 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { Ac4c }

[grjr]

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Turn: (4.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

You guys think this is strange action. Here is what is says.

SB: I have at least a pair.
BB: I am drawing to the strait. (or I made it and I want an overcall)
Hero: I beat top pair.
SB: I still have a strait draw
BB: Just kidding, I have the nut strait.
Hero: I can't fold 3 of a kind because I am a dummy and I have outs to a boat.
SB: I still have a strait draw.


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I don't get it, though. If BB has a monster hand, why did he not raise the turn originally? Why would he assume Hero was going to raise, after Hero just called the flop?

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He was trying to get Hero to suck along. BB has KJ and SB has A9 or AJ. Everybody was afraid of the flush on the river although nobody had it.

I was going to make a George Strait joke but it's late and I'm tired so it probably wouldn't be funny. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[bozlax]

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Raise for value:

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Which is certainly what he SHOULD have done. D's tone made it sound like he was being an idiot by staying in the hand.

Here's what I love:

Board: Qc Ts 8c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 35.6958 % [ 00.36 00.00 ] { 8s8h }
Hand 2: 38.0214 % [ 00.38 00.00 ] { Jh9h }
Hand 3: 26.2828 % [ 00.26 00.00 ] { Ac4c }

Give Villan a MADE STRAIGHT in this hand, and with the 3rd player still in you can still raise for value.

[Watain]

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Raise for value:

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Which is certainly what he SHOULD have done. D's tone made it sound like he was being an idiot by staying in the hand.

Here's what I love:

Board: Qc Ts 8c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 35.6958 % [ 00.36 00.00 ] { 8s8h }
Hand 2: 38.0214 % [ 00.38 00.00 ] { Jh9h }
Hand 3: 26.2828 % [ 00.26 00.00 ] { Ac4c }

Give Villan a MADE STRAIGHT in this hand, and with the 3rd player still in you can still raise for value.

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Good point.

Grunch

Ok, you know you should raise the flop.

I also think you should cap the turn. I would put you on 40-50% to still have the best hand. Only QQ, TT, KJ or J9 beat you, and QQ would probably have re-raised pre-flop. On top of that you have 10 outs to a boat or quads.

You might also want to bet/fold the River, although BB is probably cabpable of a bluff raise.

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Raise for value:

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Which is certainly what he SHOULD have done. D's tone made it sound like he was being an idiot by staying in the hand.

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I should have been clearer. I meant I felt like an idiot for not raising my 3 of a kind on a draw heavy board. In fact, is there ever a time to not defaulting to raising 3 of a kind on the flop?

[Publos Nemesis]

Saint_D, you should have raised the flop, but not a big deal.

I just called the SB's bet on the turn, b/c Saint_D likely hit the ace (why else would he raise p/f and just call on the flop?). But calling that bet, I was able to get a huge 3-bet in that I thought was otherwise unlikely.

I just checked the river b/c I figured the SB hit the flush, and didn't want to get c/r.

Saint_D, there is not much you could have done on the hand. You just got cold decked.

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River: (13.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.


SB: I missed my draw.
BB: Hero is a little Laggy, lets C/R.
Hero: That's not going to work this time.

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I understand your reasoning here, and I agree. However, it also sounds a little results-oriented.

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Nope, that's pretty much what I was thinking as the cards fell.