Nice skirt Nancy: SB 67s - Page 2

ajmargarine · #11 08-18-2005, 04:08 PM

My original plan was just to check/call the flop. After the weak action though, I decided to c/r. I might take it right there, and if he called I would lead the turn big and hopefully push him off his hand. If not, maybe the board catches up to me and I hit one of my many outs and scoop a nice pot.

When he 3-bet minraised me, I determined that there was very little FE if I pushed. I think he liked his hand and he was laggy enough to call me with a wide range of hands. At the table, I didn't think the pot was large enough in relation to my stack at that point to push. I guess I was hoping the board caught up to me and so I just called his 3-bet.

When I checked the turn, he took awhile to check behind. I felt he was fearing a c/r from me at that point. Because of his delay, I felt he had some kind of made hand and that is why I folded the river.

nebben · #12 08-18-2005, 04:46 PM

Why are we just callinig the flop? With such an amount of equity, doesnt Hero make more money the more that goes in the flop. Would someone explain why a checkraise is such a bad play? It scares the hell out of opponents, and can help with free cards, and its not like he doesnt have a boatload of outs when the cr gets called....

Malachii · #13 08-18-2005, 05:07 PM

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Why are we just callinig the flop? With such an amount of equity, doesnt Hero make more money the more that goes in the flop. Would someone explain why a checkraise is such a bad play? It scares the hell out of opponents, and can help with free cards, and its not like he doesnt have a boatload of outs when the cr gets called....

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Bloats pot out of position and makes it easy to get shut out on 4th street. If you're playing it to try and maximize fold equity, just lead out for a big bet.

Malachii · #14 08-18-2005, 05:07 PM

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Or bet the flop, then bet the turn.

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If raised on the flop are you 3 betting, and if so, how much?

Malachii · #15 08-18-2005, 05:09 PM

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6:1. $10 is worth the info...look him up.

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You're very generous with other people's money.

ajmargarine · #16 08-18-2005, 05:13 PM

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If you're playing it to try and maximize fold equity, just lead out for a big bet.

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?? A c/r here is the best way to maximize FE. Not that that was my primary goal.

Malachii · #17 08-18-2005, 05:14 PM

Then why checkraise?

Edit: And I don't think a checkraise has much folding equity here at all against a thinking player. Nobody plays a set like this.

ajmargarine · #18 08-18-2005, 05:19 PM

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Nobody plays a set like this.

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If I had 88, I might very well play it this way. If I am in the blinds with a set on a draw heavy board, with multiple limpers behind me, this is one of my lines for a set. Depends on the table of course.

Ghazban · #19 08-18-2005, 05:19 PM

Not trying to hijack your thread but, as I was reading it, a similar hand occurred in one of my games. Villain claimed to have laid down a good queen (which is fine, though I'm a slight favorite against both KQ and AQ).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 Hero (10 handed) converter

CO ($165.70)
Button ($193)
SB ($363.55)
Hero ($232.12)
UTG ($112.29)
UTG+1 ($150.37)
UTG+2 ($341.90)
MP1 ($124.35)
MP2 ($112.80)
MP3 ($438.71)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 raises to $6, 6 folds, Hero calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4.

Flop: ($19) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $20, Hero raises to $70, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: $109

Malachii · #20 08-18-2005, 05:21 PM

Are you honestly making a 12$ checkraise into a 6$ pot after one measely 2$ bet w/ 88 here?