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08-17-2005, 08:44 AM
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Re: Grounding Morality
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there is no such thing as good [/ QUOTE ] This is what I reckon Pretty simple really 
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08-17-2005, 04:46 PM
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Re: Grounding Morality
the dilemma is not an argument aginst God, but more along the lines of an argument grounding the answer to the normative quesiton in God. If we say that part of God's nature is good, then does that mean there is some understanding of good that is seperate from God that is instantiated in God, because then we seem to be saying that god doesn;t ground morality, but that this good that is instantiated does.
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#13
08-17-2005, 04:48 PM
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Re: Grounding Morality
you severely misunderstand the implications of the first horn, the first horn does not imply that god can;t be evil, but that goodness is not defined as "something to be promoted by God". If this is true, then we have to admit that there is some objective code apart from God, and although God may also follow it, we cannot ground the noramtive question by an appeal to a divine power.
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#14
08-17-2005, 06:20 PM
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Re: Grounding Morality
What's wrong with everybody else that only you and me can see what is ridiculously obvious?
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#15
08-17-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: Grounding Morality
you are such an insufferable jackass with almost no insight into ethics, why don;t you actually read a book about ethics before you decide to sound ignorant.
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08-17-2005, 07:26 PM
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you are such an insufferable jackass with almost no insight into ethics, why don;t you actually read a book about ethics before you decide to sound ignorant. [/ QUOTE ] It's not like he's alone in thinking there is no such thing as good.
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08-17-2005, 07:34 PM
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Re: Grounding Morality
he is alone, however, in thinking that would be ridiculous to think otherwise.
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08-17-2005, 07:57 PM
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he is alone, however, in thinking that would be ridiculous to think otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] It isn't because it's ridiculous. It's because he knows if good exists, God must exist, and that is unacceptable.
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08-17-2005, 09:33 PM
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What's wrong with everybody else that only you and me can see what is ridiculously obvious? [/ QUOTE ] Asylum denizens ask each other this every single day.
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#20
08-17-2005, 11:13 PM
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Re: Grounding Morality
"It isn't because it's ridiculous. It's because he knows if good exists, God must exist, and that is unacceptable."
First time Not ready came to my defense. About time. But God existing (in the format where he has wishes for us) is not unacceptable to me. Its just seems almost preposterous. Also I don't believe the converse. I don't believe that if good doesn't exist that God therefore does not exist. In other words I don't automatically believe that if God wants it, it is good.
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