PLO, Variance and Profitability vs Furthering NLHE Game

[BluffTHIS!]

fim,

As the other posters noted, the variance is indeed higher at any limit of plo compared to nl. The tighter you play, especially in early positions, the less it will be. It does not usually pay to play lots of drawing hands in early positions with aggressive players behind you. I play mostly the 5/10 and 10/20 blind games and it is true there as well. At those levels, you don't have as many of the passive calling stations that make nut peddling so profitable at lower levels. But you do have a lot of passive/aggressive players who will pay for thin draws in position but who are also very aggressive bluffers when a different draw hits on the turn or river and you check. Thus it is imperative that you stick to the principle of 4 cards working together so that when you have a set or 2 pair you will also frequently have some draws as defense as well. Regarding having hands with overlays, it is not necessarily the amount of an overlay you have as the odds you are getting on your money that is important regarding draws. And it is critical to realize when other players are drawing with you and thus factor in splits, which would often dictate folding where you would be glad to play a big enough draw headsup with a player holding a set.

And as to ribbo's comments, forget them cuz he's a well-known prick. Being a winning player at a lower level doesn't translate into being one at a higher one and you already know that so he didn't need to state it. But just like in nl, the worst players at the higher levels are much better than the worst ones at lower levels, and sometimes even than the weak-tights at lower levels since they are very adept at using their position to pressure and bluff effectively.

Since I frequently see you in the high stakes nl forum I know you know that game well, but don't recall if you play much pl holdem. If you don't, then you do need to make sure you are aware of important differences between pl and nl and how that affects correct play. So rereading Ciaffone & Reuben's PL&NL Poker is recommended. Being a winner in plo basically comes down to how you play draws, sets and aces, as well as how you play against aces.

My final comment would be to advise you to play very tight at first and analyze the mistakes of others that you observe and check the hand histories and take their hands as your own and determine the correct play on each street. It's so much more fun to let others pay the price of your learning than for you to do so yourself.

[Ribbo]

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Last time I checked this was a message board, and comments are there for everyone to read. All my comments are made irrespective of the limit or the player, because that's the most useful responce to give. Since I see no poker content in your post, why did you make it?

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You very condescingly addressed one of the best online NLHE players on 2+2 like he was a total noob.

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No I didn't, that's you being a net nanny, are you married to him? What I made was a general comment in reply to someone having a complain about variance. My comments ring true irrespective of the player or the limit and were there for anyone to see. Omaha chews up a lot of players because they can't cope with the beats when their set of aces loses. Because it's such a common occurance compared to Hold'em, it is the hold'em converts that need to be aware the most how much it can tilt you if you're not mentally prepared.

[Ribbo]

I love comments like being called a "well known prick" then followed by bad/obvious advice that is so ambigious it doesn't actually tell him anything.
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Being a winner in plo basically comes down to how you play draws, sets and aces, as well as how you play against aces

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Duh, don't be a prick and state the obvious under the guise of being advice. What you've just explained is the game of poker.
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My final comment would be to advise you to play very tight at first and analyze the mistakes of others that you observe and check the hand histories and take their hands as your own and determine the correct play on each street

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Again what you've suggested is the most basic of concepts. Why don't you offer something interesting rather than the usual dullard stuff everyone knows. Ooooh check hand histories, WHAT SAGE ADVICE, gee who would think of that. Prick.

[FeliciaLee]

Stop it with the name calling and flaming for no reason.

Do you really want me babysitting this forum and treating you all like a bunch of kids that I have to watch all the time, deleting your posts because you can't stop whining at each other?

Grow up, you argue worse than a bunch of catfighting, hairpulling girls.

[Big Dave D]

The PLO forum has always been argumentative and bitter.

But at least there is discussion here. Occassionaly.

For good or ill, right or wrong, Ribbo has pssed off several posters here. Amongst them two of our best, BLUFF and AcesOver8s.

And Ribbo doesnt even play PLO.

But I'm sure they can look after themselves.

gl

dd

[Big Dave D]

Just to add to this, I would suspect that bad players in PLO are much more dangerous than in NLHE. In fact sometimes bad players on first glance turn out to be good players in PLO. CHUFTY anyone?

Also being good at other games is no prerequisite for PLO success...some NLHE players make dire PLO players...its a very different game.

gl

dd

[FeliciaLee]

Have I lost my mind, or did I really read a HH posted by Ribbo playing PLO?

Regardless, that doesn't matter, because what is in the past is behind us, what is going on now is what matters.

For whatever reason, this game induces fighting. I have been playing lots of PLO and PLO8 lately. The PLO8 and LO8 games seem to be friendly, with lots of people playing recreationally and having a good time (yes, I know, the stakes help make it so, but my point is still valid).

In the PLO games, however, even the tiniest buy-ins, they are arguing and flaming each other like crazy. Non-stop catfighting.

It was the same when I played lots of LOH at Boulder Station back in 2002. Unbelievable fighting.

So for whatever reason, Omaha High games attract arguments. I can live with that. When things go over the line here, though, with flaming and random name calling for no particular reason, I'm going to have to resort to editing and deleting posts. Which is stupid, because we are all adults here and can behave as such, if we want.

I hope the old posters come back, and that we can start anew. We have the potential to be the best PLO forum on the net, if everyone will just post in a mature manner and put away the needless flaming.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Big Dave D]

I was going to give a long response to this but kinda lost the will to. If you don't see the effect that Ribbo can have on some people then I guess u just don't see it. The Ribbo effect has been going on for some time, pre 2+2 even. He enjoys it. Having said that, his plo8b advice is often spot on.

Also, plo from 2-4 up is often completely silent or quite chatty. Certainly more so than other games of that size.

gl

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[webmonarch]

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Do you really want me babysitting this forum and treating you all like a bunch of kids that I have to watch all the time, deleting your posts because you can't stop whining at each other?

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Well, you could end it all by just banning Ribbo. That's probably easier.

[gergery]

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Do you really want me babysitting this forum and treating you all like a bunch of kids that I have to watch all the time, deleting your posts because you can't stop whining at each other?

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Well, you could end it all by just banning Ribbo. That's probably easier.

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Why on earth would you do that?? He gives very good PLO8 advice.

Are you here to play kissy face or learn how to play poker better?

Let him have his confrontational fun and consider it entertainment, who cares.

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