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Old 08-09-2005, 03:59 PM
Biggenx Biggenx is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

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Villian reads after 300 hands:
Volume put into the pot: 9%
Saw Flop: 11.5%
Aggression Factor: 3.8
Went to Showdown: 17%
Raised Preflop: 4%

$200 NL Party

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with As, Ah.
4 folds. Hero makes it $8. 2 folds. Button Calls. Blinds fold.

[Pot $19] Flop: 3h, Kd, 3d (2 players)
Hero bets $15. Button Calls.
[I put him on AK here. KK would have reraised preflop.]

[Pot $49] Turn: Qc (2 players)
Hero bets $40. Villian Calls.

[Pot $129] River: Js (2 players)
Hero bets $100. Villian goes all-in. Hero makes a crying call.

Results in white:
Results:
Villian has 4 of a kind, 3's.
Hero has 2 pair, Aces and 3's.
Final Pot: $418.90


If I had checked the river and he went all-in, would this be a clear fold? Thanks for your help guys.

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Need I Say More - Is this what we want to weed through in order to get to something of actual use?

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i really think this is a legitamit post, i'd want to know if i could get away from that hand too. (he should have gotten away from it) Unless he's an idiot (he never said it was a bad beat) there's no way he considered this a bad beat.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:02 PM
wslee00 wslee00 is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

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Part of being a poker player is having discipline and coping with beats, bad and otherwise.

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perhaps part of a way someone can deal with the bad beats is having a forum to let it out...
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:04 PM
intheflatfield intheflatfield is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

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Villian reads after 300 hands:
Volume put into the pot: 9%
Saw Flop: 11.5%
Aggression Factor: 3.8
Went to Showdown: 17%
Raised Preflop: 4%

$200 NL Party

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with As, Ah.
4 folds. Hero makes it $8. 2 folds. Button Calls. Blinds fold.

[Pot $19] Flop: 3h, Kd, 3d (2 players)
Hero bets $15. Button Calls.
[I put him on AK here. KK would have reraised preflop.]

[Pot $49] Turn: Qc (2 players)
Hero bets $40. Villian Calls.

[Pot $129] River: Js (2 players)
Hero bets $100. Villian goes all-in. Hero makes a crying call.

Results in white:
Results:
Villian has 4 of a kind, 3's.
Hero has 2 pair, Aces and 3's.
Final Pot: $418.90


If I had checked the river and he went all-in, would this be a clear fold? Thanks for your help guys.


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Need I Say More - Is this what we want to weed through in order to get to something of actual use?


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i really think this is a legitamit post, i'd want to know if i could get away from that hand too. (he should have gotten away from it) Unless he's an idiot (he never said it was a bad beat) there's no way he considered this a bad beat.


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This absolutely is a bad beat post, ableit disguised as a "How can I get away from this hand post".

The OP may not even consciously realize that the reason they are posting it is not for any possible discussion or informative purpose, but is instead a plea for sympathy...

But it is what it is....
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:14 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

It's not a bad beat. It's an overpair against a set which should have been avoidable. That is a serious discussion post. And it's not a bad beat in any way shape or form since the OP was never ahead post flop.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

Being a regular at the bad beat forums would give you alot of good advice and certainly respect from the other posters.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:34 PM
intheflatfield intheflatfield is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

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It's not a bad beat. It's an overpair against a set which should have been avoidable. That is a serious discussion post. And it's not a bad beat in any way shape or form since the OP was never ahead post flop.

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Ok, perhaps I was a bit hasty w/ my anaylsis. What you say may have merit.

However, A while back I posted an almost identical post, and it was explained to me that it was a bad beat post.

Additionally, is it possible that he played the hand correctly? I think it is arguable that it was correct for him to do so (according to TOP), I believe one of the concepts was calling bet on the end even if you are almost sure you are beaten if your pot odds + pott equity justify it.

I am I reading Skalnsky wrong here?
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

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It's not a bad beat. It's an overpair against a set which should have been avoidable. That is a serious discussion post. And it's not a bad beat in any way shape or form since the OP was never ahead post flop.

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i'm all for discussion then, you check-fold the river? lead-fold the river?
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:41 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

Check/call river if you must, but I would check/fold the river against this dude. He has a VPIP of 9. He's VERY unlikely to bet a hand that we beat on the river.
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:44 PM
Jazza Jazza is offline
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

oh, didn't see that VPIP

even so, you put him squarely on 33? KK?
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Old 08-09-2005, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: HATERS OF THE BAD BEAT POST - A SOLUTION

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It's not a bad beat. It's an overpair against a set which should have been avoidable. That is a serious discussion post. And it's not a bad beat in any way shape or form since the OP was never ahead post flop.

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Good point, TWP, but what more can you say about it. You just summed up about all of the meaningful discussion that is possible w/ this hand in 2 & 1/2 sentences. I don't know what more there is to say about it. I think that was his point.
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