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#11
08-04-2005, 03:53 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
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I dont fold this considering its a steal re-steal situation. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't a steal-resteal situation. This is a steal-resteal-CapEveryone situation. The BB has no need to defend his blind, there's so much action so far that he can be confident he's not getting robbed...assuming both players are full of it because of their position is incorrect here. Surf 
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#12
08-04-2005, 03:58 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
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Would u feel bad about folding 72o to a raise in the BB when the flop is 772? You shouldnt because its a good fold. [/ QUOTE ] This is like the old post where spicyF 3bet 87s in mid position, and 887 flopped (or something) and Spicy said something to the effect of "Did I play this right, assuming I knew what the flop was going to be?" [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#13
08-04-2005, 04:03 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
its been said, but ill agree this is a standard fold.
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#14
08-04-2005, 04:05 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
There might be games where the call is good or close, but I think it's a pretty easy fold unless the blinds are idiots. Even if the SB is restealing without much, you're still facing two cold from the BB. Best situation is you have two overs to a pocket pair or at least live cards to an AJ or AT. You almost definitely don't have the best hand.
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#16
08-04-2005, 04:20 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Would u feel bad about folding 72o to a raise in the BB when the flop is 772? You shouldnt because its a good fold. [/ QUOTE ] This is like the old post where spicyF 3bet 87s in mid position, and 887 flopped (or something) and Spicy said something to the effect of "Did I play this right, assuming I knew what the flop was going to be?" [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] 3-betting 87s from mid position is always an intresting way to go. Also if your KQ was suited, Im calling most of the time.
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#18
08-04-2005, 04:24 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Also if your KQ was suited, Im calling most of the time. [/ QUOTE ] With only 3 players, being suited shouldn't make that much of a difference. [/ QUOTE ] More than enough for me. But I might be a little loose. I dont think its that bad of a call though, IF indeed it is a bad call. But dont take my word for it.
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#19
08-04-2005, 04:47 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
No, this isn't a standard preflop fold at all, especially if the SB's threebetting standards include any ace, which for some it does. Sometimes the BB caps just to cap, because he's pissed that the button and the SB are trying to freeze him out of the pot. He could be correctly capping with something as light as 88 or ATs here (both correct). So no, this preflop fold is not standard, getting 5-1 I would say against all but the tighest, most readable opponents it's wrong. Their ranges of hands are usually wide enough that playing KQo and KJo is correct here.
-Michael
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#20
08-04-2005, 04:52 AM
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Re: Is this a good preflop fold?
"The BB has no need to defend his blind, there's so much action so far that he can be confident he's not getting robbed...assuming both players are full of it because of their position is incorrect here."
He may not be getting robbed, but the BB is correct to cap with a pretty wide range of hands here, and that range becomes absolutely enormous if he has ever seen the button fold in this situation. Even if the BB has no idea what it is and is not correct to cap, many guys do just get pissed off in this spot and figure ah, what the hell, let's cap it. This is a steal-resteal situation, and it is completely different openraising from here than it would be if you had legitimate raising position. -Michael
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