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#11
07-28-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
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And I think with this board and the preceding action it would be a mistake to bet and call a raise on the river with a weak Ace. [/ QUOTE ] This was my thought as well. With the BB coming along on two streets, your bets and your ensuing hand look significantly stronger than they would in a HU situation with the villain. There's really not much downside to this bet. If he calls with A6 or less, then you chop anyway so no harm done. If he folds then you make an extra 5.25BB. A8 or A9 are more likely to call, in which case you lose an extra BB, but he only needs to fold these 1 in 11.5 times to make the extra bet +EV. The more I think about this, the more I really like it. 
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#12
07-28-2005, 02:17 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
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eh i think he never folds here and will 3bet way more often than he will fold. What if he 3bets a chopping ace and you fold? Thats a pretty big mistake. Calling the 3bet is probably a mistake as well. I think calling this river bet is the only option. By raising you are usually putting in 2 BB on the river when you are beat probably at least 50% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] Hero described his opponent as reasonable and possibly a 2+2er. The point of the river bet is to get a bet in, without it being checked through, when you hold top pair and a weak kicker. You don't get raised often b.c the bet comes out of nowhere and looks to me a stronger hand than it is, maybe two pair. If that's what a 2+2er has, unless this thinking goes to the third level or so there's a good chance the guy will fold. He may call, and when he does hero is still good a fair percentage of the time. But he can fold every time to the 3-bet. The idea is that from the action, there's an excellent chance you're chopping. Invest two bets to try and win it all, and you'll know with almost a certainty you're beat if he three-bets.
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#13
07-28-2005, 02:19 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
a2, a5, a6 are the only hands you chop with. A 2+2er might also play a8 and a9 like this and they beat you. A7 might also play like this fearing you will check through a pair weaker than an ace.
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07-28-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
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a2, a5, a6 are the only hands you chop with. A 2+2er might also play a8 and a9 like this and they beat you. A7 might also play like this fearing you will check through a pair weaker than an ace. [/ QUOTE ] That's the point though; he's playing it like a weak ace. Any of those hands, even A7, will have a hard time three-betting. If he does, we're done. Three of those hands are playing one card, and may well fold. Two of those hands, their kicker does play - but we've represented a lot of strength and can invest one more bet to try and win it. It's just a spot where an extra BB is probably worth it - it looks like we know what he's doing, and have a good idea of how he'll react.
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#17
07-28-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
I thought the line was check-call, check-call, bet-call, at least at 5-10 and up.
Is the 2+2 consensus that the play with a weak ace is bet-fold the river?
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#19
07-28-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
I really like it too, and think Hero's read was right on.
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#20
07-28-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: I know this line from somewhere
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I thought the line was check-call, check-call, bet-call, at least at 5-10 and up. [/ QUOTE ] Nah it's the way-ahead/way-behind line. Getting raised means you're way behind so you fold. Guy.
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