One limper, TT on the button with 18BBs...

[vinyard]

Interesting when I see this play at the 800 chip games I think that its somebody with 55-TT, possibly JJ who doesn't want to see a flop. I had chalked it up to small sample size that my TT and even 99 are way ahead as often as they are when I call the all-in.

[45suited]

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Interesting when I see this play at the 800 chip games I think that its somebody with 55-TT, possibly JJ who doesn't want to see a flop. I had chalked it up to small sample size that my TT and even 99 are way ahead as often as they are when I call the all-in.

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Don't get me wrong, Vinyard, I'm not doing it with 55. I can play post-flop, at least better than the typical fish at the lower levels. But when you do it with TT, you will get called by the guy with 55 who is likely folding on alot of flops. It's really a great spot, IMO.

[durron597]

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3) I get called SO OFTEN by small PPs or one overcard
because it looks like such a steal

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Do you really think so? How often does K9 call you here? Or A9? A9 is the only 1 overcard hand that might call you on a regular basis. On the other hand small pairs do call you here but not as frequently as you might think (I'm certainly folding 77 here, so really you're looking to see 88 or 99).

On the other hand, I really don't see why you don't want to see a flop here. Most of the time 1 over flops and usually your opponent doesn't have it unless they have an ace. TT is a good hand, extract value from it; YOU ARE IN POSITION. Unless you are confident you will get outplayed postflop, just make a standard raise.

[bmxreed36]

I sometimes limp but also sometimes in similar situations, I may make a smallish raise to say 150 just to be able to hopefully go heads-up with the initial limper. You will have position after the flop after showing strength pre-flop which makes it easier to play and it still isn't too much to lose if you have to dump it on the flop.

[Paradigm]

i make a standard pre-flop raise to 150. there's no need to risk so many chips at this instance, considering we can't be sure that the limper will call with a lower PP. further, do not discredit the fact that you have position on this hand and you can dump quickly if the board slaps you in the face.

[Felipe]

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further, do not discredit the fact that you have position on this hand and you can dump quickly if the board slaps you in the face.

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We can bet TT, even if the flop slaps us.

[tigerite]

I think you don't understand, the point is he'll be acting last on the flop, so if it comes KQ5 or something then he can tell from the actions of the other players who called as to what he should do next. This is why the button is such a strong preflop position to be in.

[schwza]

i like a raise to 175. there's some chance you're winning the pot now. and if you don't, you're probably playing heads up in position with a better hand.

[GtrHtr]

I'd limp this hand. I think the most I'd raise this hand based on reads is 3xBB.

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2) I really don't want to see a flop


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Why not? Limp and hope for a board with a T and an A. Money. If you miss the flop, easy fold after limping.

[45suited]

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I'd limp this hand. I think the most I'd raise this hand based on reads is 3xBB.

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Limp??? I've got 885 pre-flop. There's 125 out there already. I've got what is almost assuredly the best hand, why would I limp and play for set value against 2 or 3 opponents.

I keep forgetting that there are so many people on this forum that think that JJ is a marginal hand. I can only imagine how weak TT is viewed.

I'm making this play because:

1) The 125 out there is significant to my stack and

2) I've got a very strong hand that is still likely to be
called by the idiots at the 11s and 22s if I push,
particularly because my push looks like a PVS