What to do when card dead

[danger_mouse]

In my experience, the best time to try this move has three criteria.

1) You haven't played a hand in awhile (3 orbits is fine). Hopefully, you've never shown a junk hand too.

2) Original raiser is very aggro.

3) You suspect the cold caller is only playing back because of over aggro raiser.

[Lloyd]

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In my experience, the best time to try this move has three criteria.

1) You haven't played a hand in awhile (3 orbits is fine). Hopefully, you've never shown a junk hand too.

2) Original raiser is very aggro.

3) You suspect the cold caller is only playing back because of over aggro raiser.

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Stack sizes also are a huge factor.

[Pair0dimes]

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Stack sizes also are a huge factor.

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Thank You

[durron597]

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The balls part is easy. It's knowing the right time to pull the trigger that's difficult.

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[Potowame]

I have to agree that Stack size is parmount...


Much smaller and I think this move is -ev, since you are getting crying calls from players that understand the game more often.

[Shorty35]

This is exactly the spot I am looking for when card dead and I think you made a great move under the circumstances.

The most important hand for me on Day 1 of the WSOP was just like this. (Over the entire day to that point (11:00 pm), I was dealt AA once and i folded JJ preflop - sprinkle in one AK and that is my entire universe of premium starting hands).

In my case there was a third caller, which didnt significantly change the setup, but did make the gut check a bit more difficult. I moved over all three for 150% of pot (a little more than half of my stack) with 35s and all folded.

IMO a move like this is significantly more likely to succeed in a live tourney than online. But under the circumstances outlined above, it is +EV in both cases.

[Dave D]

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I have seen a lot of posts about being card dead, so I thought I'd post this.


Today's Super, saw JJ in level 1, that's about it.

Earlier, to keep up with the blinds, I had raised all in w/ J3o in the SB when the CO raised, which he had done often, he folded.

Moved to new table sat quiet for almost 3 orbits, no good spots to get involved, then these two guys who were also the type to raise whenever folded to, got involved.

When the button flat called, I decided to try this.

May be foolish, but with the active players, its good.

A good situation, all that's missing is the cards, not always needed.

The BB, open raiser and button all need a big hand to call.

I add about 50% to my stack without showdown.

Regards,
Woodguy



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter

BB (t2565)
UTG (t515)
UTG+1 (t10062)
MP1 (t1845)
MP2 (t1410)
MP3 (t2090)
CO (t3815)
Button (t5393)
Hero (t1860)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t400</font>, Button calls t400, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1860 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: t2810

Results:
No showdown. Hero wins t2810.

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Not that I'm doubting you, but how did you get to having 10 BBs? It seems like people who don't catch cards will often be short stacked, and this advice doesn't work b/c some donk will always call? Curious about your thoughts on this.

[danger_mouse]

Yes, having a stack size large enough to allow your opponents to fold is apriori. What percentage of your opponents stack do you think you need here? Also, at what size does your stack preclude this all-in against raise/call maneuver.

[danger_mouse]

Generally, most players on this forum either bust out or grow their stack when at 8bb-10bb, regardless of their cards. Its widely (though not universally) accepted that at this range your fold equity is still large enough to pick up chips when you push all in (so we do). I'd be very surprised to see a player like Woodguy below 10BB for more than an orbit, barring him being on the bubble of a satellite.

[Stipe_fan]

In addition to this move, I use the similar move only in a different situation. Again, this move only works if you have a tight appearance and he does have FE.

You see a bully going after a weak-tights BB. He raises a standard 3XBB and you push. He will usually fold because he was simply going after an easy target. He has to assume you woke up with a hand.

This is another way to garner chips while card dead.

Any other situations or moves to add to this thread?

Stipe