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Old 07-27-2005, 09:59 AM
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2. I was born in Taiwan and moved to New York when I was 6. Culturally, I am more American than Chinese. The translation of my name was butchered. The sound of my name in Chinese is Jing-Han, but somehow it was made into King-Han. My first grade classmates just called me King, so it stuck from there on.

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Ni hao ma [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-27-2005, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Review of Kng Yao\'s \"Weighing the Odds in Hold\'em Poker\"

I've read this book. It's made it into the six books I recommend people read.

It fits into the poker literature perfectly. It gives you quantitative methods for making the correct plays.

New Suggested order of reading the Holdem Literature:

GSIH (WLLH or ITH would fit here if you like)
SSH
TOP
HPFAP
MLH
Weighing the Odds in Holdem
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Old 07-27-2005, 05:11 PM
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Thanks! Unfortunately, I'm going to minimally stab you in the back and go through Amazon. There are a couple of other books I fugured I might as well pick up too. BTW, interesting story on the name!

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Amazon is quoting a ship date of Aug. 19th. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I'm going to look around to see if anywhere else is shipping earlier.
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Old 07-27-2005, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: Review of Kng Yao\'s \"Weighing the Odds in Hold\'em Poker\"

I like your order but I suggest putting Weighing the odds before MLH. MLH is more advanced I think.
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Old 07-28-2005, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: Review of Kng Yao\'s \"Weighing the Odds in Hold\'em Poker\"

What do all those abbreviations stand for please?
Is King Yao's book aimed at Limit or no limit?
Thanks for the help.
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Review of Kng Yao\'s \"Weighing the Odds in Hold\'em Poker\"

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What do all those abbreviations stand for please?
Is King Yao's book aimed at Limit or no limit?
Thanks for the help.

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GSIH (WLLH or ITH would fit here if you like) <font color="red"> Getting Started in Hold'em - by Ed Miller, Winning Low Limit Hold'em - by Lee Jones, Internet Texas Hold'em - by Mathew Hilger (sp?) </font>
SSH <font color="red"> Small Stakes Hold'em - by Ed Miller </font>
TOP <font color="red"> Theory of Poker - by David Sklansky </font>
HPFAP <font color="red"> Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players - by Mason Malmuth and David Sklansky </font>
MLH <font color="red"> Midle Limit Hold Em - by Bob Ciaffone and Jim Brier </font>


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Edit - and Yao's book is aimed at limit.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Review of Kng Yao\'s \"Weighing the Odds in Hold\'em Poker\"

Is MLH good? Post reviews of it seem to be lukewarm. I liked his other books though.
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Old 07-29-2005, 11:10 AM
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Is MLH good? Post reviews of it seem to be lukewarm. I liked his other books though.

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His play is sometimes weaker than what I prefer in my mid limit game, but he thinks through hands really well and points out the things the you should always be thinking about.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Review of Kng Yao\'s \"Weighing the Odds in Hold\'em Poker\"

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Is MLH good? Post reviews of it seem to be lukewarm. I liked his other books though.

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His play is sometimes weaker than what I prefer in my mid limit game, but he thinks through hands really well and points out the things the you should always be thinking about.

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he is a very cautious to say the least. His chapter on overcards is very extensive and my out-of-the-ass guess is that 2/3 of the time he says check/fold when Ed Miller/SSHE/these boards would say bet/raise. I think he is sometimes right and sometimes wrong in his weakness.

I'm about halfway through the book and it definitely has me thinking a LOT about my game. whether I end up taking his advice or not, this makes the book worth the admission IMO.

the book is a lot more dense than it would appear (there are lots of words in it, not many tables or charts or anything else), so there's a lot of good info in it.

that said his style of play is vastly different than what people on this board are playing and studying, so you need to be able to get to the root of what he's saying rather than follow his advice blindly.
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Old 07-29-2005, 04:55 PM
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it definitely has me thinking a LOT about my game. whether I end up taking his advice or not, this makes the book worth the admission IMO.

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It's by far the most valuable book on poker I've read, that I didn't agree with much in! If nothing else you should read this book to see how lots of decently skilled but still weak limit players think and act.

Those hands that are strictly against other TAGs I tend to agree far more with than those that are against random fish. He gives people way too much credit. All in all I think the book is way too coloured by Bob's (great) style of NL.
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