The Brazilian guy shot in London

[Olof]

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don't these cops have some non-violent way of taking down fleeing criminals?

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Not when they suspect that the criminal in question is heading into a crowd in order to detonate a bomb.

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Heard a report on the radio today that the guy's family is threatening legal action.

[mackthefork]

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can you honestly say that in the shoes of the cops pursuing the guy that you wouldn't have done the same thing?

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No I couldn't be sure, its a tough job and a very tough call to have to make.

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Secondly, correct me if i'm wrong, and i don't mean to be inflamitory, i'm just trying to put this in historical perspective: but relative to other western democracies, britain doesn't have a pristine record of maintaining civil liberties, IRA and whatnot. Not that 5 to the head can be considered merely a violation of the poor guys civil liberties, but...

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I take your point, relative to which western democracies? not the USA? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

Mack

Mack

[mackthefork]

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don't these cops have some non-violent way of taking down fleeing criminals?

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Yes but it was in the middle of London and they thought wrongly, that he was armed up as a suicide bomber.

Mack

[mackthefork]

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I wonder if there is going to be a clammer for revised gun control in the UK because of these terrorist attacks?


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I doubt it, not many people have guns outside gangs, I'm not sure but I estimate less than 10% of police officers ever go on active firearms duty, I apologise if I'm way off with that guess, be happy to be corrected.

Mack

[etgryphon]

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I take your point, relative to which western democracies? not the USA? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]


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NH.

With the Patriot Act and Padilla, we are riding the civil liberty horse to hell at the moment.

Brings to mind:

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They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security. - Ben Franklin


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-Gryph

[etgryphon]

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I doubt it, not many people have guns outside gangs...


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This is precisely why gun control is a stupid myth. Got to love England where to defend yourself or your family in their own home is a crime.

But, oh well. They do have beautiful countryside and a pretty good financial market.

-Gryph

[bobman0330]

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In the U.S. the guys decendents would likely bring a lawsuit claiming excessive force and I'm not kidding.

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In the U.S. they would probably have a case

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They wouldn't have a case in any country, assuming the police had some information on which to base their suspicions. (Since they were surveilling his residence, I assume they did.) Therefore, the police were within their rights to detain him by force. To argue that lethal force was unreasonable in the situation is ludicrous.

No case.

[mackthefork]

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To argue that lethal force was unreasonable in the situation is ludicrous.


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No one is making such a claim as far as I can see, your implied suggestion that wearing a padded coat and being frightened is a capital crime is also a little far fetched.

Mack

[superleeds]

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Therefore, the police were within their rights to detain him by force

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reasonable force

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To argue that lethal force was unreasonable in the situation is ludicrous

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I'm not arguing this, I don't know the circumstances leading to the shots, but I suspect my view of excessive force differs from yours.