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Old 07-18-2005, 07:51 PM
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I actually lean toward a call on the river becasue the player is not great.

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Easy to not three bet on turn for UTG with a boat. He can win 3 more big bets with a call from the third guy and if they both call on the river vs. two if he folds him out (not to mention a 3 bet could fold both players behind).

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This is not a play that an average player would make., IMO
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Old 07-18-2005, 07:54 PM
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Passive opponents don't limp reraise, let alone limp-cap, with those hands.

AA and KK are by far the most likely holdings, with AA being the most likely, IMO. The preflop action in and of itself is enough to tell us that.

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This is exactly right, I think. I forgot about the limp reraise. You are now looking at AA. My original suggestion still stands: Raise / Call
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Old 07-18-2005, 07:55 PM
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Passive = not limp-capping any of those hands.

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You are, of course, correct. I forgot about the limp-reraise.
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Old 07-18-2005, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

I do not think a passive player leads AA on the river here with two tens on the board. Players like that tend to get scared, especially with a pair on the board. There are actually plenty of players that check a straight on that river.

Like I said though raising is not terrible. But I do not think it is best in this particular scenario.
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Old 07-18-2005, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

If you don't think you can raise the river here, then you never should have chased the Jack on the flop.
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Old 07-18-2005, 09:39 PM
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I call and expect to see KK. The only reason he didn't 3 bet the turn was to keep the CO in, which backfired on him so he came out firing.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:00 PM
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If you don't think you can raise the river here, then you never should have chased the Jack on the flop.

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this makes very little sense to me.
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:12 PM
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Default Re: Walking into a bear trap, can I get away?

easy raise...and if he 3 bets, call
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Old 07-18-2005, 10:13 PM
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So I vote for raising the river and calling a 3 bet.

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What is a passive player 3 betting this river with that you can beat? I don't see any good reason to call his 3 bet if his description is right. I'd be shocked to see anything less than a boat at this point. However, if unsure at all, call.

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Old 07-18-2005, 10:36 PM
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Raise and Call if 3-Bet. There are too many hands you can beat with his bet-out to not raise.
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