In Defense of Stockman/poker rigged?

[Shandrax]

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The other collusion is Team Raising, if Cheater A gets a monster and is one on one with victim B, victim B can limit Cheater A's raising by not re-raising him. Add Cheater B in and suddenly you are looking at caps on each betting round as they collude to fleece anyone not quick enough to get out of the way..... I'm pretty sure I have witnessed this once or twice myself, with Cheater B showing down rags while Cheater A scoops a fat profit.

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That one shows in the hand history logs though. If the very same people start building pots and one of them has a trash hand the casino could backtrack it. Relaying hands on the other side is undetectable.

[ianlippert]

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The other collusion is Team Raising, if Cheater A gets a monster and is one on one with victim B, victim B can limit Cheater A's raising by not re-raising him. Add Cheater B in and suddenly you are looking at caps on each betting round as they collude to fleece anyone not quick enough to get out of the way..... I'm pretty sure I have witnessed this once or twice myself, with Cheater B showing down rags while Cheater A scoops a fat profit.

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If you see this happen you should mark down the hand # and send it to the site. I have heard of many instances of people turning in cheaters to the poker sites. Nobody said online poker was 100% safe, but the chances of colluders not eventually getting caught is pretty much zero. Collusion is a much bigger problem in real life where it is much harder to detect. Poker is a gamble in many respects, if you cant handle that dont play.

[silvershade]

I have to confess that i didn't forward the hands to the site involved and I wasnt actually the victim just a witness to something that looked really suspicious, if I had been the victim I'd probably have been more inclined to act, as it was I just moved to another table. That I've seen this once or twice in many thousands of hands isnt enough to stop me playing, just enough to make me move table if I get suspicious.

[ipp147]

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I'm pretty sure I have witnessed this once or twice myself, with Cheater B showing down rags while Cheater A scoops a fat profit.

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If they are doing it propery Cheater B should fold to the last bet to avoid showing down rags and therefore suspicion.

[jman220]

No one here is arguing that player cheating does not exist. I think we all acknowledge that collusion, and players working together does exist, and is a problem. The poker sites do try to curtail this. Could they do more? I think so. But people who think that the large multi-billion dollar poker sites (I'm talking the big ones, Party, Stars, UB, Paradise, Ft, etc.) are rigged are just looking for excuses as to why they can't win at poker.

[PokerHorse]

actually they will call down with rags in order to avoid suspicion. They can claim bad play. Why would i call the hand down if i was cheating? etc