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Old 07-15-2005, 05:30 PM
baronzeus baronzeus is offline
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Default Re: Full House on Board I have Pocket QQ

Flop is fine, turn is a CAP, if he still leads the river you should call. It seems like CO slowplayed his moronic ace, and let you guys do the betting. But you can't be afraid here with the 3rd nuts . At casinos this is a jackpot and nets you 5K.
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Old 07-15-2005, 06:01 PM
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Flop is fine, turn is a CAP, if he still leads the river you should call. It seems like CO slowplayed his moronic ace, and let you guys do the betting. But you can't be afraid here with the 4th nuts . At casinos this is a jackpot and nets you 5K.

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Old 07-15-2005, 06:27 PM
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What are you doing not capping this turn? What are you doing not capping this river? Cap cap cap! Do you honestly think someone has an ace? If BB has KK then that sucks but oh well, the odds are he doesnt and you're ahead.

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Hmm. This seems pretty reckless to me.

One good time to fear quads is when there are three aces on the board. Hands with an ace in them are pretty popular.

Anyway, though, I don't know if BB is reasonable preflop, but for the sake of argument, let's say he is. Here are some hand combos:

AK = 4
KK = 6
JJ = 6
TT = 6

This range isn't in our favor by that much, and the chances BB has an ace (or KK) do go up with each additional raise he's willing to put in.

The fact that CO is in the pot too should help, since we're getting a better return on our investment (those times we're best) in a 3-way pot. However, in this particular case, it appears like CO in fact was the one with the ace. This isn't terribly surprising, as ace-rag is a popular cold-calling hand, and there are 44 ace-something hand combos left by the time we reach the river.
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Old 07-15-2005, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: Full House on Board I have Pocket QQ

please tell me CO had quad 2's beat by 4 aces.
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Old 07-15-2005, 06:34 PM
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please tell me CO had quad 2's beat by 4 aces.

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Why would BB not cap if he had quad aces? If anything, it's the other way around.
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Old 07-15-2005, 06:37 PM
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I like capping the river. Chances you lose to KK or and A seem to me to be much smaller than you running into a smaller PP or some donk who thinks he'll get you to fold by 3-betting.

But I wouldn't worry about 1 bet too much, since this is a 1 in 10000 type of hand.
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Old 07-15-2005, 06:43 PM
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Ack, no one really giving credit to villain for TT or 99? I figure the chance he's holding those or worse is MUCH higher than 5%. More like 20% to me. Either of those hands could explain his play. Perhaps I'm not giving villain enough credit though.
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Old 07-15-2005, 06:45 PM
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Ack, no one really giving credit to villain for TT or 99? I figure the chance he's holding those or worse is MUCH higher than 5%. More like 20% to me. Either of those hands could explain his play. Perhaps I'm not giving villain enough credit though.

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Old 07-15-2005, 06:47 PM
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I'd play it the same way, call thru hoping he doesn't have KK or the other ace.
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Old 07-16-2005, 06:38 AM
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FLOP: Fold to the flop three-bet. Your done. Why do so many people post hands illustrating how they ignore what their opponents are telling them. BB told you he has an ace by betting the flop. Well maybe he only had KK (which your losing to anyway) or QQ (which your only going to get your bets back with) or JJ (the one hand you might beat), so you told him you had an ace. Then he screamed at you, "No, I have an Ace." Why don't you believe him?

TURN: Now that a third ace comes out, it is less likely BB has one, although I suspect he still does. However, at this point I would call down.

RIVER: Call down, not raise. I'm still about 75% sure he has an ace.

PS: And what the heck is CO doing in this hand? Is he some kind of calling station donk, or is he slowplaying an ace while you guys do all the betting for him? In other words, just the fact that he's sticking around is cause for concern and more reason to fold.
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