fold KAs Post Flop

[Yads]

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hemstock how do you call? Some of your outs could be dead? you are getting 7-1. You only have 6 outs which dont count as full outs. So you probably have 3 outs max. We arent getting the 15-1

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Are you joking? Do you seriously think that he has only 3 outs on average against 2 players? It's definitely close thogh, he probably has something like 4.5 outs on average, making this extremely close. I don't think it matters either way.

[KingOtter]

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First the pot is small you arent getting the price to call. Two players loved that turn card.The turn brought us the CLUB so you could also be drawing to 4 outs max not to mention if someone has KQ or AQ you are i neven worse shape. Good fold bad turn card for you [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] .

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He's getting 8-1. Pure outs would be 6.7-1. Discount plus implied odds make it a close call... I probably would have called.

Chances of being dominated are there, by someone playing Ax or Kx, but I still think it's close. I probably would have called.

KO

[KingOtter]

Plenty of odds to call, and nothing is showing that a high pair won't win.

KO

[Greg J]

In my estimation, calling on the turn is slightly less than break even. You are getting 8:1. 6 outs is too generous, since you can make yr hand and still loose. But even considering you can check/fold UI the implied odds don't quite it worth the call.

In the heat of battle, I make this call closing the action. Here where I can study the hand, I think you made a good fold. I don't think making this call would be a huge money loser for you in the long run.

[beset7]

Looks fairly standard to me.

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

i fold here.

[TomBrooks]

I think it would be a somewhat loose call but not terrible. There could be a flush draw out so clubs may be no good, giving you only 4 outs instead of six. Overcards are usually said to be worth only three outs on average in which case folding is good here.

[TomBrooks]

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I think it would be a somewhat loose call but not terrible.

[/ QUOTE ] After reading and reflecting on mdplayah's post, I think he's more correct than what I said at first above. He said he would like to see 17BB in the pot to call this. I think I'd be comfortable with 11BB. I'm going to count my outs as 4. I think I have been a little too loose calling with overcards on the turn.

[mdplayah]

i can't believe other people's comments on this one. I fold this crap fast. As of the CO betting there is 7BB in the pot, i.e. in order to call you would need a full six outs (I really can't see my self adding more than a quarter out on implied since it is such a weak draw, maybe if i was drawing to two pair i would do that... but top pair?).

you never have the full six, even heads up. you could lose on the river, someone could counterfeit you wiping out 3 outs right there, you could be up against a slowplayed set, two clubs could be tainted, and he has an overcard that is exactly one card higher than the highest on the board [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

i'm sure there are more reasons to discount, but that's just off the top of my head.

I would like to see about 17BB in the pot to call this, more if i wasn;t last to act. good fold.

[mdplayah]

sorry, just read my own post. didn't mean to sound harsh or condescending, but that's just how i feel. you guys can call it if you want though.