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Old 07-07-2005, 12:37 PM
Wintermute Wintermute is offline
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Default Re: Weak tight check

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What the hell does that mean? I'm going to assume you are saying if it checks around on the flop, you would bet out. That's probably (probably not) the stupidest piece of advice I've read in this forum in... a week. No high hand at all. No draw to a high hand as of yet. An obvious check-raise board for EP nut flush. Betting there is a fantastic strategy if you hate money and would rather give it away in a poker game than just light it on fire.

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It wasnt meant as advice, it was meant to spark a little discussion here.
Well, in my experience it doesnt hurt to try a medium-sized bet to see if there really are (nut-)flushes out there or not and to see if there are other 23s out there or not. Baby flushes without a low draw might even fold this hand after you make a reasonable bet.

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Still crazy. What does betting gain you that checking doesn't still allow? Nothing. If there's nothing but baby flushes out there, it's still pointless to bet. If that's the case (big if) then you will still have the opportunity to bet/raise them off their flushes on the turn if you feel strongly about that read. In fact, it'll be more effective on the turn since it's less likely to appear to be a steal attempt, and will be much harder for a nut flush to check twice OOP. By checking the flop behind, now if you're lucky enough to catch a low, you can definitely play it strongly against those non-nut flushes, make them fold and hope that your pair of 4s will take the high (assume non-4 low card for argument's sake) if there's another 23 out there. But by betting on the flop you're sacrificing the strength of your position... a bet there is highly unlikely to pick up the pot, and you've just sacrificed your option to close the action, giving other the chance to raise you off your low draw. Trust me, it's a horrible choice to bet there, and it's not even debatable.

The most obvious rule of thumb you're violating by betting the flop here is: never draw to half the pot.
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