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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
Call, feeling that the limpers will probably come in for one more. If the blinds come along that gives pretty good odds to see the flop looking for the flush. Definitely not getting married to it if an A comes.
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
you just cant call 2 bets cold from a tight raiser "looking for the flush".
this is very basic stuff... |
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
IMHO the key to this is the limpers. I think this is a marginal hand, but one where being an experienced reasonably solid player may have value -- but I'm truly not sure, hence the post.
The cutoff is not raising a marginal hand with three limpers. If he had something like a small pocket pair or JTs, he'd just limp along. He was not a particularly imaginative player, I didn't think. Bob is obviously right, three betting is awful -- the last thing I want is to isolate since there's a good chance I have a dominated ace and almost no chance my nine beats any pocket pair he could have. No, I want to hit my flush or a lucky flop like 99x or A9x. But getting either 4-1 or 5-1, on the button, knowing I can get away from many of my dominated hands, and knowing I can win 4 or 5 more BB if I hit, I don't think this is an obvious fold. |
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
It's not just the raiser, odds are the three limpers are going to come in as well, plus maybe the BB (if not the SB as well). If it wasn't suited, I don't play A9o against here, but being suited makes it worthwhile to see this flop IMO.
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
Another factor is that you have terrible relative position if you flop a flush draw. You risk raising and knocking everyone else out, or you can forgo a raise and keep more people around but then miss out on value. In an already very marginal situation, this should matter.
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
as a policy i almost never cold-call(i didn't say never, almost never). this is a fold for me. it shouldn't be automatic, but taking into account the PFR, i fold.
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
Well, it's about 8-1 against flopping a two flush. But add in my two pair and trips outs and perhaps I need 7-1. I think I easily have this here, getting 4-1 or 5-1 immediate odds.
BB comes, limpers call, 6 to the flop in a 6BB pot. The flop comes down A93 rainbow. BB checks, 1st limper checks, two other limpers fold, cutoff raises and I... |
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
who did CO raise? do you mean bets?
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
is the flop rainbow? I'd cold call and raise the turn. if the flop has a flush draw I'd be more likely to go ahead and three bet. EDIT: assuming 1st limper bets and not checks.
also, I wrote out a paragraph about why calling preflop was ok, then thought of a bunch of reasons to fold. I think it could go either way, but I would have called. 3 limpers plus blinds is a lot of overlay |
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Re: You raise for the first time in an hour? I cold call!
i also, would smooth call with plans to raise the turn.
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