Is THIS A Good GigaMove?

[Degen]

haha alright, i'm a man, i can admit when i'm wrong...IT WORKED MR. DICKEN!! YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY CAUSED PEOPLE TO DUMP CHIPS IN GAMES WHERE THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE!!!

lol

[barycentric]

Are you talking about the hand when Gigabet holding no pair no draw bluffed out someone with trip aces? If so this hand is not quite the same in that you can't get the people all-in to fold.

[Degen]

no he had Q3 and repopped a shorty who pushed from the BB, though he didn't realized one of the 2 upfront limpers had KK, tho he flopped two and took down a monster pot

[The Yugoslavian]

Are you smoking something?

I don't like this move at all. If you're at the WSOP, you can probably even corner Giga and ask him yourself if you'd like. I'm almost positive he wouldn't like this move considering your hand.

Yugoslav

[gergery]

There are enormous differences between Gig’s hand and this one.

First, Gig had good fold equity, you don’t. He could expect the others to all fold a large percentage of the time since they limped and only put in a small fraction of their stack. Here 2 players are already all in, and the other one has put in over half his stack and is getting great odds to call.

Second, Gig had good showdown equity. He was likely ~ 35-40% underdog getting 1.5 to 1 on his money, meaning its relatively close to EV neutral and potentially EV+. Here, you are at the very best 25% equity to 2 different overcards, and much more likely ~14% equity making this a significantly negative EV play. So this is anywhere from slightly EV- to very EV-

Third, Gig could cross a threshold if he won but would not cross a threshold if he lost. Here, you cannot cross a threshold if you win, but do cross one if you lose – the exact opposite. If Gig won, then he becomes big stack at his table and can be doubled thru while still having above par stack – he will have much higher fold equity. If you win you are still a monster stack – no change in fold equity. If Gig lost then he goes from even with another big stack to close to par – he loses little fold equity. If you lose, then a player with position on you is just as big as you. You can be busted now.

This is actually the case study on how NOT to implement his ideas.

--Greg

[good2cu]

When I see 3 all-ins and look down at 32s it's an insta-call. Because it is sooted!!!

[Degen]

ya only saw him once and he looked really pissed and was walking 23 miles an hour, didn't want to get in his way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ya i guess i was wrong: thats like 15 ppl so far who don't like it, o well...my wanna be giga-days are over i guess [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Degen]

great post and analysis, futher proof that i was a donkey for one hand hehe

[The Yugoslavian]

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ya only saw him once and he looked really pissed and was walking 23 miles an hour, didn't want to get in his way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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Yeah, they probably had run out of Red Bull. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Yugoslav

[shejk]

I just noticed this thread and I'm not so sure that calling is a bad move.

I ran some numbers in pokerstove and got these results:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 56.7161 % [ 00.56 00.01 ] { AA }
Hand 2: 14.1680 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { AA-66, AKs-A9s, KQs, AKo-AJo }
Hand 3: 13.8116 % [ 00.13 00.01 ] { AA-TT, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }
Hand 4: 15.3043 % [ 00.15 00.00 ] { 32s }

(These are just approximations, and the reason one guy gets aa for sure is that it would take forever for my pokerstove to calculate 23s vs three ranges otherwise)

15.3%. That means that you lose like 750 * 2/5 = 300 chips in chip ev.

The question is, how easy is it to accumulate chips with a 5k stack compared to a 1800 and a 2600 one?

My guess is that there are circumstances where it's a good call. Note that 67s have 20.3% against the same matchup btw.

EDIT: Looking over my ranges I realise that I'm problably a bit on the tight side. Don't think it should matter that much though(?).