MTT Hand - Hidden Jacks hand

[PoorLawyer]

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instead of pushing the small edge here, I like to wait for a spot where you are a clear favorite to get your chips in, because as you say, with only 6.5BB you are going to get stuck somewhere soon.


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This is terribly wrong.

Here is why:

1. In these tourneys you only get 12 +- 1 hands per level (I used to play alot of these tournies). So if our hero folds this he could very very quickly only have 3BB. And then what good is getting a real hand? Yeah!!! I double up to 6BB. What good is that? You are still very close to elimination. In order to get to the final table our hero needs to play in a manner that will increase the value of future "real hands" and at the same time give our hero valuable time to look for "good spots".

In order to make it deep in these tournies you have got to get enough chips that you::
1. Threaten people
2. Can make alot of money on you good hands
3. Can survive a hand that doesn't go your way

Our hero CANNOT lose these edges. If he has to risk busting so beit.


There would be an auguement for folding this actually at the final table. Where surviving 1 or 2 spots will get you more money. But when you are far from the final table you need to keep the above list in the front of your mind.

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I think a better use of the chips might be to try and steal a few antes and keep around that same chip count until he has a live hand.

the only other option is to raise which is 800 of his 5K, assuming it doesnt get reraised. he has to hope to take it right there or at least get the Q to fold and then get a scare card and bet out 4th and take it down there....if he calls then what do you do? I guess keep firing and pray...

I dont think just calling the completion is good because of that overcard Q

[jon_1van]

yeah....calling by FAR the worst play

[jon_1van]

If the antes/BB went up slower I'd suggest this. I just do think its the "best" play when you only get 12 hands per level.

You can easily get crap for the next 10 hands. And any BI that hit you hurt BAD.

[Burdzthewurd]

Ha, of course I chose the worst play! I just called.

My reason was this:

- It'd take a real hand (hidden big pair, maybe (AK)J) for him to bet out against two players on 4th if he caught small, I think I'd feel better about folding if he catches a 3, Qx checks to him and he bets out, probably has a big hand.
- I figure if neither players catch scary, I lead out if I catch an A/K/Q/J/9. I'd lean towards calling if I catch a card that makes me a good 3-straight AND 3-flush.

Gah, haven't gotten to play as many stud tournaments as I'd like. My logic is probably quite faulty.

[PoorLawyer]

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Ha, of course I chose the worst play! I just called.

My reason was this:

- It'd take a real hand (hidden big pair, maybe (AK)J) for him to bet out against two players on 4th if he caught small, I think I'd feel better about folding if he catches a 3, Qx checks to him and he bets out, probably has a big hand.
- I figure if neither players catch scary, I lead out if I catch an A/K/Q/J/9. I'd lean towards calling if I catch a card that makes me a good 3-straight AND 3-flush.

Gah, haven't gotten to play as many stud tournaments as I'd like. My logic is probably quite faulty.

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if you call, you can't win the pot right there, which is probably best case scenario given that your hand is partially dead and you don't want to commit all your chips if you dont have to. even if one or both of them call your raise, you are in the drivers seat since they have to think they are behind at that point. then when you catch a scare card you are that much more likely to take it down on 4th

[MrBlueNose]

Raise. Try and isolate against the other J. Get all your chips in the middle as fast as possible.

[Andy B]

I'm not really a tournament player, but I think this is a raise. The guy with the Jack is over-aggressive, and you have two Jacks in the hole, so it's fairly likely that he doesn't have a hand. You want this heads-up if possible. If the Queen three-bets, well, that sucks.

If your goal is to make the final table, to make a score, you're going to have to gamble some. I think this is a good spot for it.

[Burdzthewurd]

So after calling on 3rd (d'oh) here's what happened on 4th:

Villain caught 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Big Stack caught 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I caught Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for (J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I lead out for a bet, big stack folded, Villain called

5th:

I catch 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain catches 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Your action?

[beta1607]

bet.

[PoorLawyer]

you gotta keep betting now. if he did have jacks, you at least now have a decent kicker with the Q (even though it is dead)