Two Successive Hands

[kurosh]

Meh, I guess I should've called the turn in Hand 1. Sometimes when I pull a bluff and get raised, I don't even think about it and throw it away. I CR as a random variant to my play. On that sort of board, it's not likely he has much.

[Justin A]

Hand 1 sucks but hand 2 is good. Although I'm not a big fan of the 9 on the river, but I still think it's a +EV call given that your opponent seems pretty aggressive.

[FrankTheTank]

hand 1: the turn c/r isn't something you should be doing all that often, but you gotta mix it up sometimes so it's certainly not terrible. once he 3-bets, you gotta call, imo, as he's raising with a ton of hands that you're live against.

hand 2: i fold the river. sure, if he's semibluffing he'll probably fire a third barrel on the river, but all you can really beat is KcQc or QcJc. his straight semibluffs either got there or paired up, and he could just as easily have J10 - K10.

[Stack]

I'm not an SH expert, but I have a question:

What makes the c/r incorrect is that he picked up the flush draw on the turn. Is this correct?

I mean, if he had not picked up the draw, his c/r would be less incorrect, because in that case his bluff equity is much less that his drawing equity.

[Jeff W]

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I mean, if he had not picked up the draw, his c/r would be less incorrect, because in that case his bluff equity is much less that his drawing equity.

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No, the more equity you have, the more powerful your semi-bluffs are.

Think of it this way: If you have 14 outs to improve, you own 14/46*each of your bets. If you have 8 outs to improve, you own 8/46*each of your bets. Either way, your number of outs doesn't change your likelihood of winning the pot with a bluff, but in the first case you lose less when you're called.

[Stack]

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I mean, if he had not picked up the draw, his c/r would be less incorrect, because in that case his bluff equity is much less that his drawing equity.

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No, the more equity you have, the more powerful your semi-bluffs are.

Think of it this way: If you have 14 outs to improve, you own 14/46*each of your bets. If you have 8 outs to improve, you own 8/46*each of your bets. Either way, your number of outs doesn't change your likelihood of winning the pot with a bluff, but in the first case you lose less when you're called.

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Thanks Jeff. This was very clear. So it's in fact bluff equity + our outs equity, making our chances of winning the pot higher. I'll have to think about different situations to get this better.

The idea that I had came from the fact that S and M advocate checking behind on the turn when you pick up draws (not relevant here). I underestood it this way: Our equity from drawing has now surpassed our equity from bluffing with a turn bet. (sorry for my English)

Something's not clicking yet in my head. (many things actually [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

[dave44]

I don't hate the turn play in hand 1 as much as others. I mean how hard do you think he hit that 552 flop?

I wouldn't be surprised if opinions are largely affected by you posting villain's 3-bet.

[wheelz]

I think the opinions are mostly affected by him folding to the 3-bet... that was the worst part about the turn play