$11's L6+ Need Help (last 8 hands)

[Luminous Mist]

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When does K8 become right to push with... what is the criteria, level 5+, when there are 6 players left... In hind sight it is easy to see b/c that was the 2nd best hand I had

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I don't get why you are unsure about this. Why did you push the 7,4 hand??? Thats the reason you should of pushed K8. The hands are almost identical

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Identical except pushing with K8o is much, much better given the stack sizes and everything.

Luminous

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

you bring up good points, it is just so much easier to push 1st. I will work on putting opponent on range of hands... and call them. Thanks again Luminess.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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When does K8 become right to push with... what is the criteria, level 5+, when there are 6 players left... In hind sight it is easy to see b/c that was the 2nd best hand I had

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I pushed 74 b/c my stack was short and I thought I might have a little FE left on button. I agree, in hind sight, the K8 would have been a better choice


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[RobGW]

Odds. Let me try an example. Level one you are in the BB with AK. UTG pushes. You should fold. No sense risking busting out this early on a probable coin flip. Now its level 6. You in the BB $200 with a stack of $800. UTG pushes for $800. You have to call $600 to win a pot of $1025. Its still a probable coin flip but now you have to call. You are getting desperate and you are getting good pot odds. You also have to consider that its probably a coin flip but many times your opponents will push other hands as well esp when the blinds get big. You will have them dominated often enough to take this. There is no hard and fast rules. Each situation may be different. The point is that sometimes you do have to gamble at the end. Sometimes you should WANT to gamble at the end. Sometimes you should avoid gambling at the end. It all depends on the situation. You just have to learn through experience.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Great point about pot odds. Currently I only evaluate pot odds to determine if I should chase, or if I am worried about an opponent chasing a draw against my currently best hand. I have not looked at it from your perspective with very big blinds, especially relative to my stack size. Thanks

[pokerlaw]

As a preface, I assume no reads, but you should have some by now as you most likely know. I left out the AK hand since you said you acknowedged it. Here is my $.02

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***** Hand History for Game 2238706957 *****
150/300 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13272261) - Mon Jun 20 23:11:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 11699 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: hobber1421 (1311)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_69 (985)
Seat 4: pokudude (650)
Seat 6: OmahaRon (1214)
Seat 9: birddogg23 (1815)
Seat 10: xDerekGx (2025)
pokudude posts small blind (75)
OmahaRon posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_69 [ 8c, Ks ]
birddogg23 folds.
xDerekGx folds.
hobber1421 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_69 folds.
pokudude folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 225
hobber1421 balance 1311, didn't bet (folded)
Dr_Jeckyl_69 balance 985, didn't bet (folded)
pokudude balance 575, lost 75 (folded)
OmahaRon balance 1289, bet 150, collected 225, net +75
birddogg23 balance 1815, didn't bet (folded)
xDerekGx balance 2025, didn't bet (folded)



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Push the K8.

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***** Hand History for Game 2238717918 *****
150/300 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13272261) - Mon Jun 20 23:13:00 EDT 2005
Table Table 11699 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: hobber1421 (1236)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_69 (835)
Seat 4: pokudude (1150)
Seat 6: OmahaRon (1439)
Seat 10: xDerekGx (3340)
Dr_Jeckyl_69 posts small blind (75)
pokudude posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_69 [ 4h, Jd ]
OmahaRon folds.
xDerekGx folds.
hobber1421 raises (300) to 300
Dr_Jeckyl_69 folds.
pokudude folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 525
hobber1421 balance 1461, bet 300, collected 525, net +225
Dr_Jeckyl_69 balance 760, lost 75 (folded)
pokudude balance 1000, lost 150 (folded)
OmahaRon balance 1439, didn't bet (folded)
xDerekGx balance 3340, didn't bet (folded)



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Hobber has done this already twice (MR from the button to steal your SB) he might just be playing off of you and BB's tightness. Something to think about IMO...

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***** Hand History for Game 2238720224 *****
150/300 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13272261) - Mon Jun 20 23:13:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 11699 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: hobber1421 (1461)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_69 (760)
Seat 4: pokudude (1000)
Seat 6: OmahaRon (1439)
Seat 10: xDerekGx (3340)
pokudude posts small blind (75)
OmahaRon posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_69 [ 4s, 7h ]
xDerekGx folds.
hobber1421 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_69 raises (760) to 760
Dr_Jeckyl_69 is all-In.
pokudude folds.
OmahaRon calls (610)
Creating Main Pot with $1595 with Dr_Jeckyl_69
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, Jh, Kd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1595 |
Board: [ 6d Jh Kd Ad 8c ]
hobber1421 balance 1461, didn't bet (folded)
Dr_Jeckyl_69 balance 0, lost 760 [ 4s 7h ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Kd,Jh,8c,7h ]
pokudude balance 925, lost 75 (folded)
OmahaRon balance 2274, bet 760, collected 1595, net +835 [ Qs Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ad,Kd,Qs,Jh ]
xDerekGx balance 3340, didn't bet (folded)

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why then? granted at least the big stack folded UTG, but it doesnt get much worse than 47....

[pokerlaw]

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I folded AK b/c I assumed he had a PP and I did not want to gamble all of my chips on a 50% shot when I assumed I was a slight underdog.

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Partys structure dictates that you call this IMO. If you dont like gambolin in situations like that, play UB or Stars - where those decisions are less likely to occur.

Oh, and DON'T assume he has a pok pair. AJ and AQ were played heavily in the hands that followed and AK does pretty well against those...

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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Partys structure dictates that you call this IMO.

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What is IMO??? I see everyone refer to this all the time... thanks

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

47, I agree that 47 is bad, but I was running out of chips... was hoping I had some FE. Yes, K8 would be better, but when I had K8 I was not as worried about blinding out at that point...

[pokerlaw]

IMO = in my opinion.

the prob w/ 47 is that if you get called, you an underdog, plain and simple. You have two more hands until you get blinded off again. Granted the next hand the big stack in the BB gives you a lot less folding equity, maybe you will get a hand that you dont mind pushing into him.

Wait two more hands - maybe the donks will bust out and you can crawl ITM. Don't push 47 here, i cant emphasize that enough. good luck.

as to the K8, the only reason i could see a fold here is if BB has a REALLY wide calling range - as he was playing a lot of hands. You want to take some blinds and it was folded to you in the button. you cant be too patient in these games...