Flopped trips in 6 max. Villain shows tremendous strength on turn.

[swolfe]

also, i wasn't saying that hero is definitely dead here, just that we have to figure out what reasonable holdings villain may have and figure out a plan. it looks like our stack is going in here, so the plan has to keep in the hands that hero is beating. this means calling the turn, and calling the river when villain bets.

as was said above, pushing will make it too obvious. QQ will call and anything else should fold.

[kasey2004]

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ya all in is your only choice and hope for no QQ


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i hate it when people give this kind of advice. poker is not about "hoping", it's about planning and reasoning out likely holdings for your opponents.

from the description, villain seems like a reasonably solid player. he's only gone to showdown with set or two pair.

what do we know?

villain raised from the SB
from a solid player this usually means a premium hand: AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ
villain showed strength on the turn when the queen showed
implies: QQ/AQ, remotely possible AA/KK
villain called a bet on the flop with an open pair
implies: at least a PP over 8, remotely possible club draw



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If i read the hand right, hero has like $15 dollars of his $27 he started the hand with facing an $8 raise... all im saying is his only play is all in ... and to hope that its AQ and not QQ

[Bukem_]

88 is way more likely than QQ, given the way its played if you are gonna consider that you are crushed.

The way you overbet the flop and pot the turn, you make your hand obvious, and pretty much commit yourself to the hand, and I don't like either of those things.

[Malachii]

In that case I agree with you 100%. Calling the turn raise and then calling no matter what/pushing if checked to is the way to go.

[Malachii]

The problem with going all in is that you lose any chance of snapping off a bluff on the river. Calling is the only way to keep him in the hand if he's pulling some crazy bluff here.

[rikz]

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The way you overbet the flop and pot the turn, you make your hand obvious, and pretty much commit yourself to the hand, and I don't like either of those things.

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Bukem_

How would you have played it on the flop and turn?

Thanks.

[Bukem_]

2.00 to 2.50, probably 2 or 2.25.

Depends slightly on what my previous bets have been and how the table is playing. I'm sure a quarter or two doesnt seem like much, or seem too important, but your opponent should have a much broader range of hands to put you on then.(and he is still getting incorrect price to draw, and it builds pot well enough)
When you overbet flop, most people put you on trips or a flush draw.

[imported_anacardo]

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In that case I agree with you 100%. Calling the turn raise and then calling no matter what/pushing if checked to is the way to go.

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Just chiming in with the chorus here.

It's definitely correct to lose what's left of your stack if you're behind here, I think, so with that in mind, a call, call/push line puts you in position to win the most, since you'll lose the same no matter what.

[rikz]

... hero is all-In.
villain calls [$7.35].

** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]

Villain shows [ 8d, 8s ] a full house, Eights full of threes.

Hero doesn't show [ Ah, 3h ] three of a kind, threes.

Villain wins $53.2 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of threes.

Thank you all for your replies.

I like the idea of betting a little less on the flop, leading the turn, and calling the reraise with the intention of calling a river bet. The feedback that pushing on the turn runs the risk of folding out a hand like AQ rather than letting that hand bet again (or call a value bet from me) on the river.

[Malachii]

Yeah, that sucks dude, but realistically, there's nothing you can do here. I think pretty much everyone goes broke on this flop. That's why it's called gambling I guess.