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#11
06-15-2005, 06:09 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
After his turn bet, you have nowhere near the 5th best hand. You have a very mediocre hand.
Edit to point: You built a big pot pre-flop and now you're spending a lot of chips protecting a mediocre hand. 
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#12
06-15-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
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After his turn bet, you have nowhere near the 5th best hand. You have a very mediocre hand. [/ QUOTE ] After the turn bet, you have the 3rd best hand. I don't think it's that terrible...
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#13
06-15-2005, 06:14 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
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I'm saying that I don't put T325 more in the pot after I get called on the flop. And if I do put another chip in the pot, it won't be because I have the 3rd best flush draw with 1 card to come. If you want to build a big pot pre-flop, fine. But realize that after his turn bet, you have nowhere near the 5th best hand. You have a very mediocre hand. [/ QUOTE ] A- I have the third best hand on the turn with a made flush, not a flush draw. B- With a 4-flush on the board 3rd best heads up doesn't seem like a lock to me, but I think it's worth a showdown. I can consider a smaller blocking bet of maybe 125-150 on the river. Wow, am I way off on this? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#15
06-15-2005, 06:20 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
I just limp preflop and fold when the betting gets heavy on the flop. I see no need to lose a lot of chips with JJ when an A comes.
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#16
06-15-2005, 06:21 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
On the river you almost certainly have the best hand, but if you don't you aren't going to block anything. If you think there is a good chance he has a better hand, then check/call. If he has the nuts and you check, he'll probably just bet that same 200 or so rather than reraise your blocking bet.
I think your river bet is a decent value bet as he is fairly likely to call with a worse flush or even worse hands than that. I'd have raised less preflop and probably checked the flop.
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#17
06-15-2005, 06:39 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
Wow, lotta concepts floating around here, from you and other posters.
Meta-rule: "When you are playing a calling station, play very simple, ABC poker." Cause all those moves are just going to bounce off the stupid shield. So, my line: Raise pre-flop (like you did, for the reasons you gave). Check the flop. Fold if villain bets anything substantial. Pot-sized bet on the turn. Fold if re-raised. Check the river. Forget blocking bets. Fold if villain bets anything substantial. I will also pick on one of the concepts that you personally mis-apply here: it's harmless to give a free card on the river. No, no, no. The board will pair far too often, and now you have to worry about full houses and quads. My two cents, anyway.
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#18
06-15-2005, 06:48 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
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Wow, lotta concepts floating around here, from you and other posters. Meta-rule: "When you are playing a calling station, play very simple, ABC poker." Cause all those moves are just going to bounce off the stupid shield. So, my line: Raise pre-flop (like you did, for the reasons you gave). Check the flop. Fold if villain bets anything substantial. Pot-sized bet on the turn. Fold if re-raised. Check the river. Forget blocking bets. Fold if villain bets anything substantial. I will also pick on one of the concepts that you personally mis-apply here: it's harmless to give a free card on the river. No, no, no. The board will pair far too often, and now you have to worry about full houses and quads. My two cents, anyway. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Pineapple, I appreciate the comments- I wasn't trying anything extremely fancy, but point taken. I bet the flop as a continuation bet, and would figure to get rid of 3 and 6 outer hands like Kx or KQ (without diamonds). When I say calling station I mean she called a large raise preflop after limping with A3s and called 3 decent-sized bets on the A high board against QQ. If the flop didn't hit her, I don't think she'd call, so I don't think I should check and assume she has an ace. As I labeled her as a passive player, I can't see her betting a set on a 4-flush board so I ruled that out as a possibility, but point taken.
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#19
06-15-2005, 06:57 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
My gut feeling is that she has something like 99 or 88 with a diamond, and you played it well. Although in that case you would have won the hand and wouldn't be posting it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#20
06-15-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: Hooks, $215 SNG- how\'s my line?
[ QUOTE ] I bet the flop as a continuation bet, and would figure to get rid of 3 and 6 outer hands like Kx or KQ (without diamonds). [/ QUOTE ] Correct, but I don't think that's enough bang for your buck in this situation. Against a good player, a continuation bet will accomplish two other goals: 1.) It may get a better hand to fold, 2.) It will clarify the villain's hand. Against a calling station, I don't think either of those apply. [ QUOTE ] When I say calling station I mean she called a large raise preflop after limping with A3s and called 3 decent-sized bets on the A high board against QQ. [/ QUOTE ] That's enough evidence for me. [ QUOTE ] If the flop didn't hit her, I don't think she'd call [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but think of all the ways the flop can hit her (by donkey standards). [ QUOTE ] so I don't think I should check and assume she has an ace. [/ QUOTE ] Well, you shouldn't assume anything at this point. You're waiting for a better chance to get clarity. Or you're just checking it down all the way. (I could be wrong about this, though. It just feels better to me to check here.) [ QUOTE ] As I labeled her as a passive player, I can't see her betting a set on a 4-flush board so I ruled that out as a possibility, but point taken. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. But you can't be all that confident, can you? That's the problem.
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