"Table Stakes" rule in a B&M

[SheridanCat]

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This has happened to me the past couple of times that I have played live and I was wondering what the reason is


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As you can tell, you've touched a sore spot. The table stakes rule doesn't really apply here since it's mostly about being able to play only what you have on the table and not being able to be bet off a pot because someone has you covered. According to the table stakes rule, if you are covered, all subsequent action over and above your contribution takes place in a side pot to which you have no claim.

What you're proposing is ratholing, as mentioned. Ratholing is bad because it removes money from the game. If you win money and then put it in your pocket, you've taken away the opportunity for the other players to win it. That's rude. Also, there are occasions where having a short stack is an advantage, and ratholing makes intentional short stacking possible.

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Whenever I get up in chips, I want to cash out for some of them,

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See, you were called names because you make it sound like it something you always like to try to do rather than something you tried to do once or twice.

Sorry your feelings were hurt, but if you make a statement like that, you're going to get some heat.

Regards,

T

[tubalkain]

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This has happened to me the past couple of times that I have played live and I was wondering what the reason is:

Whenever I get up in chips, I want to cash out for some of them, but the dealer and the players at the table won't let me take just a portion of my chips off of the table, claiming a "table stakes" rule. What in the world is this rule and why is it called "table stakes"? Thanks in advance.

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Don't be a bitch and rathole them... just color them up to something that horridly doesn't play in that game and don't play with it anymore.

[Photoc]

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just color them up to something that horridly doesn't play in that game and don't play with it anymore.



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Sorry that won't work in B&M. Whatever you win is still in play until you leave the game.

Most rooms have a rule that if you get up to cash out and try to return to the same game within an hour, you must buy in with the same amount you cashed out.

Of course, being a dealer, I know some sly ways to get away with it, but none or ethical or legal so I will not delve into those here.

[DesertCat]

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So I take $80 off of the table, put it in a rack, and tell him to go sit at the $2/$4 table and have fun.

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It's the same rule. They want to force you to give up your seat in order to cash out, to try to keep you in the game. It's "fairer" to the other players.

I once had a player call the floor when I took $30 out of a $300 stack to help pay for a tournament entry. I had taken a few big pots from him on some speculative hands (he couldn't lay down big pairs) and I guess he thought I was fishy and he wanted to get all of his money back.

[callydrias]

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FWIW I'm going to start changing seats when my stack gets big at Foxwoods $1-2 NL, because I don't think I'm a very good large-stack player. (A small sample of results bears that out.) If there's no waiting list, the OP could cash out, bankroll his friend, and buy back in of course.

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They shouldn't let you do that. If you're just changing tables, you can't cash any of your stacks out. Otherwise there's nothing to stop someone from changing tables for one hand and then bouncing back to the original table.

Last night I moved from holdem to an O/8 table and was a little surprised that they said I didn't have to take all my chips because it was a different game.

[Durs522]

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FWIW I'm going to start changing seats when my stack gets big at Foxwoods $1-2 NL, because I don't think I'm a very good large-stack player. (A small sample of results bears that out.) If there's no waiting list, the OP could cash out, bankroll his friend, and buy back in of course.

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They shouldn't let you do that. If you're just changing tables, you can't cash any of your stacks out. Otherwise there's nothing to stop someone from changing tables for one hand and then bouncing back to the original table.

Last night I moved from holdem to an O/8 table and was a little surprised that they said I didn't have to take all my chips because it was a different game.

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FWIW at Foxwoods I was told if I switch 1/2 NL tables I can only bring $100 to the new table, no matter how much I had at my current table.

[Brain]

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just color them up to something that horridly doesn't play in that game and don't play with it anymore.

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Sorry that won't work in B&M. Whatever you win is still in play until you leave the game.

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Right, but if you're playing limit and color up to two blacks, you can pretend they're not there and just play with the rest of the whites or reds or whatever else you have. In no limit, this clearly won't work. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[tylerdurden]

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FWIW at Foxwoods I was told if I switch 1/2 NL tables I can only bring $100 to the new table, no matter how much I had at my current table.

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I assume that doesn't apply to must-move situations, if FW even uses must-move.

[captswifty]

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FWIW at Foxwoods I was told if I switch 1/2 NL tables I can only bring $100 to the new table, no matter how much I had at my current table.

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That's because the game you're moving to has a $100 max/min buy in. You MUST buy in for $100, even if you're coming from a game that you had $500 in front of you.

[DavidC]

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I was never aware of the term, or the definition of "table stakes"... Let me try and choose my words carefully so that I don't offend anyone... Taking chips off the table and wanting to continue to play is just plain being a puss...no, not going to use that word... Anybody who wants to take money off of the table during their session is a douc...no, I'll refrain from that term as well... Let's just leave it at this: if you can't handle leaving your stacks on the table when you are having a profitable session, then don't play...its that simple...

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I want to waste my time by contributing a few things to this thread... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Table stakes means that you can't bet more than what you have on the table.

No limit is typically played table stakes (you can't run to the ATM to get more chips, people can't "buy" you out of a pot by betting like $500k or something).

Typically, when a table-stakes rule is in effect (when players are allowed to go "all-in"), the casino doesn't allow you to remove chips that are in play.

So that's point #1...

I just get annoyed when people think that "table stakes" means no-limit, because most games are played with table-stakes (one exception: at a club where I play limit-holdem, there are a few players who are never all-in, regardless of how many chips are in front of them... kinda neat... I had one of those players say, "Let me grab this for a sec." and take a 10-stack of $5 chips from me... of course, that guy was also allowed to sleep at the table (even leaning on the table itself), so whatever works I guess. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

And finally, point #2:

You're generally allowed to tip the dealers with chips, even though they're considered part of your stack and should be kept in play. Likewise waitresses bringing you drinks, etc. Most places let you take $20 off the table or something like that when you're going to get dinner at the buffet.

--Dave.