KK in 4-Table Home Tournament

[DemonDeac]

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I called his all-in for ~75$ more. He turns over AK of hearts. I dodged the aces, but he caught his flush on the river.

Left me in a tough position, and I went out the tournament a short while later.

I am not complaining, just want to make sure I played it correctly. Does anyone lay down kings there? Seems to me that the BEST I could hope for was AceFace, and even then I was only 60% to win.

-pj

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

20,547,648 games 0.101 secs 203,442,059 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 65.8936 % [ 00.65 00.00 ] { KK }
Hand 2: 34.1064 % [ 00.34 00.00 ] { AKs }



If you pass this up. something's wrong with you. you made the right play

[kyro]

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What do you do here? (I am repeating from memory)


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Make a sarcastic post. Ready???


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Do I:

1) call?

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yes

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2) fold?

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no

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Especially when a loss would cripple me, with the blinds going up.


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No, it won't.

So let me get this straight. You want to fold for t75 when there's t225 already in the pot...with KINGS, when it won't cripple you in the least? (Hint, you'll have around the average stack if you lose)

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or wait for a better situation.

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I'd love to be privy to a this "better situation" you speak so highly of.

So, in short, folding would be insane.

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[kyro]

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You say that if it's AK, then 35% of the time you're down to almost no chips. Well, let's say he showed you K2o. Would you still fold because 10% of the time you'd be down to almost no chips? There's ALWAYS a chance you can get drawn out on, but when you have a hand like that, it's as weak-tight as you can get to not push-push.

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Right I understand that....but when you are a big stack don't you generally want to stay out of 60/40 situations? (edit: until the lower stacks get knocked out, then you need to gamble more) Or even that is being too weak-tight & asking to lose.

-pj

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Why in god's name would you want to avoid +EV situations as the big stack?

[pj4533]

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Why in god's name would you want to avoid +EV situations as the big stack?

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Yeah, I think the main point of this whole conversation is that I forgot one key thing (someone mentioned it here): Poker is gambling.

I had an edge, so I need to use that edge, no matter how small. (In this case it was actually a good edge tho!)

I ended up making the correct play, but I am glad I posted here. Thanks for getting my mindset right.

-pj

[JC_Saves]

it costs you 75 to 300, well that is 4 to 1 odds.

If he has AA you are a 4 to 1 underdog. Easy call.

If he has AK you are big favorite. Pot equity 68% to 31% Easy Call

if he has any PP below KK, you are 4 to 1 favorite. Easy call.

In short when you have KK you pretty much have to play them like you hae AA because the vast majority of the time that will be the case. This situation is the easiest call in the book, no thought process needed.

If he had AA then it wouldn't matter what PP you had, you still need to improve to win, but it would still be a no brainer to call. Even if you lose, you still are about average stack or slightly less than average and the blind levels compared to your stack are nothing to worry about.