What to do?

[bottomset]

guys he's doublegutted both to the nut straight

reads on the players?

[istewart]

Eh, I would be inclined to fold this turn without reads. Sucky situation, as you're not closing the action and a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the river pwns you (if you're not already beat). But betting the turn would have been better.

Why is everyone saying fold? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Jakesta]

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Why is everyone saying fold? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because they can't see that he's doubled gutted and think that he just has a gutshot nut straight draw.

[scotty34]

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Why is everyone saying fold? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because they can't see that he's doubled gutted and think that he just has a gutshot nut straight draw.

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Good to see at least some people are learning some things from 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Jakesta]

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Why is everyone saying fold? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because they can't see that he's doubled gutted and think that he just has a gutshot nut straight draw.

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Good to see at least some people are learning some things from 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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These hands are admittedly tough to see if you don't have a lot of experience. I caught it right away but it might have been luck. It is also hard to spot wheel draws coming in sometimes.

[scotty34]

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Why is everyone saying fold? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because they can't see that he's doubled gutted and think that he just has a gutshot nut straight draw.

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Good to see at least some people are learning some things from 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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These hands are admittedly tough to see if you don't have a lot of experience. I caught it right away but it might have been luck. It is also hard to spot wheel draws coming in sometimes.

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Actually thats true, I've had A high on more than one occassion with 2345 on the board and only called a river bet or even folded because I missed it.

[bozlax]

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These hands are admittedly tough to see if you don't have a lot of experience. I caught it right away but it might have been luck. It is also hard to spot wheel draws coming in sometimes.

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I will say, I'm much better at spotting them when I'm playing a hand than when I'm reviewing one, for some reason. I'm also a much better pool player after I've had a few drinks.

[bozlax]

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Why is everyone saying fold? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Because they can't see that he's doubled gutted and think that he just has a gutshot nut straight draw.

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Good to see at least some people are learning some things from 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I'm willing to admit that I missed the double-gut, but IMO that still doesn't make it good enough. Discount for the flush cards and that leaves 6 outs and you're only getting 6-1 from the pot on what's an almost 8-1 call. It's too late for my head to work out how many players you have to hold onto on the flop and turn for the implieds to work out right, so I'll just call it unlikely [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Edited to correct the pot odds.

[Jakesta]

What about implied odds bozlax? Surely you can peel one here.

And I think that Hero has to call here on the turn. UTG could be betting his crappy two pair like KT and Button could be raising a set of eights or something.

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Removing the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]/9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] completely as outs is not correct. A flush draw will not always be out. I'd give Hero about 7-7.3 outs (guesstimate).