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Old 06-10-2005, 01:08 PM
utmt40 utmt40 is offline
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Default Re: Bad beat or bad play?

Raise Pre Flop!
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: Bad beat or bad play?

Lead the flop. Push to a reraise.

That is all.
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Old 06-10-2005, 03:17 PM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: Bad beat or bad play?

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You represented 77,1010,10K on the flop and the villian called getting way improper (even with implied) odds to hit his 8outter.

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You are wrong. If hero will stack off when villain hits, folding to the checkraise would be a colossal mistake for villain.

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So if villian had a gutshot straight draw itd still be correct? Just because hero is aggressive and getting the most of it in when he thinks hes ahead (still drawing live too) does not make the villians play correct.

You wouldnt advocate a 2+2 to take that line and make that call on the OESD so dont defend it for villian

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I would absolutely call that flop checkraise with QJ in villain's place. With 8 outs, you're ~4.5:1 to hit on the next card. In this hand, villain is getting immediate odds of 2.4:1 so he only needs to get $20 more out of hero ON AVERAGE for the implied odds to be adequate. Hero gave him $80; more than enough. If villain just had a gutshot, he'd be 11:1 to hit and wouldn't be able to make the $90 more he needs to make the play +EV.
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Old 06-10-2005, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Bad beat or bad play?

Checking the flop looks really bad unless you're completely certain he will bet it for you. Any card other than two through five makes a possible straight on the boards and you have no idea which ones might help your opponents (who have almost random hands at this point).

I hate your play on the turn. If he hasn't yet made a straight you are giving him a chance to make one for free. If he has some made hand that you beat and you checkraise twice the size of the pot (after checkraising the flop, no less), how can he possibly call you? You're not giving yourself much of a chance to get your money in all of the times that you're ahead.
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