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Entity · #11 06-10-2005, 02:26 AM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Villain is loose passive. Calls down too much.
Does not find the raise button very often, but I figured he would bet if checked to on river. What do you think?

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks intending to call...

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Why did you figure he would bet a worse hand if checked to?

TripleH68 · #12 06-10-2005, 02:32 AM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Villain is loose passive. Calls down too much.
Does not find the raise button very often, but I figured he would bet if checked to on river. What do you think?

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks intending to call...

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Why did you figure he would bet a worse hand if checked to?

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It seemed villain was paying attention and I had recently given up on overcards several times.
I was hoping my sign of weakness would get him to bet a 7 or worse...

I didn't see value in the bet, thought a raise was possible(but unlikely) and a fold was also unlikely. Check? What say you?

Entity · #13 06-10-2005, 02:37 AM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Villain is loose passive. Calls down too much.
Does not find the raise button very often, but I figured he would bet if checked to on river. What do you think?

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks intending to call...

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Why did you figure he would bet a worse hand if checked to?

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It seemed villain was paying attention and I had recently given up on overcards several times.
I was hoping my sign of weakness would get him to bet a 7 or worse...

I didn't see value in the bet, thought a raise was possible(but unlikely) and a fold was also unlikely. Check? What say you?

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Against a really loose, passive villain, the only two options I see are:

Bet-fold, and check-fold. I don't see check-call as being particularly great unless there's a particular reason you expect him to bet a worse hand.

TripleH68 · #14 06-10-2005, 02:43 AM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Villain is loose passive. Calls down too much.
Does not find the raise button very often, but I figured he would bet if checked to on river. What do you think?

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (2.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks intending to call...

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Why did you figure he would bet a worse hand if checked to?

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It seemed villain was paying attention and I had recently given up on overcards several times.
I was hoping my sign of weakness would get him to bet a 7 or worse...

I didn't see value in the bet, thought a raise was possible(but unlikely) and a fold was also unlikely. Check? What say you?

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Against a really loose, passive villain, the only two options I see are:

Bet-fold, and check-fold. I don't see check-call as being particularly great unless there's a particular reason you expect him to bet a worse hand.

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Thanks. The more I look at it the more I see bet/fold on this board against this opponent.

This time he did bet a busted draw and I picked up an extra BB.

I think a book review of the river is in order for me. It has been awhile.

milesdyson · #15 06-10-2005, 02:55 AM

Being results-oriented, check calling the river was great against that opponent. Entity is right though, in that if you really do think he is loose passive and won't bet without a hand, check calling isn't a great line.

So, update your read and check call marginal hands against this guy to induce bets from busted draws (or even more marginal hands).