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Old 06-06-2005, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

if the sb is a 2+2er then he does not have QJs, and if he does he really shouldn't...
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

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"you don't think he plays that way with a weak King? "

what king is a 2+2 calling 3 cold with here that is not AK? and if it is AK he should show it down...

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yeah, edit that... i'm a retard.
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:07 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

shouldnt A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] be leading this flop?
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

He may have JJ. He might put you on something like AsQs or AsJs trying to use your monster draw to force out a pair and buy outs, but then when you bet the river blank, he knows you must have a K or TT.

I'm not saying that's how I would've played it, but I could see some reasoning there, and I can't think of many other hands he should've played that way.
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

not necessarily, while leading is quite reasonable and probably what i would do with AsQs here, going for a c/r on this board is quite likely to end up with a capped flop, which is fine with a monster draw...this board is very likely to have hit two PFR's and there is likely to be a lot of action no matter what AsQs does...
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

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not necessarily, while leading is quite reasonable and probably what i would do with AsQs here, going for a c/r on this board is quite likely to end up with a capped flop, which is fine with a monster draw...this board is very likely to have hit two PFR's and there is likely to be a lot of action no matter what AsQs does...

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fair enough.

quick question though, are you checking or betting the flop into the pf raiser?
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

yeah see my 3rd edit, wow this is a hard hand to read for the two plus two-er.
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:17 PM
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wow this is a hard hand to read for the two plus two-er.

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i'd have bet/3-bet the nutflush draw/gutshot here too.

edit: yeah, he must have been like " wTf?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] "
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

with AsQs - i would probably bet/3bet, but i also think that c/r/cap is reasonable if you think it will happen, this depends on the PFR's aggression...

with KQo (your hand) - i would probably puss out and fold when its two back to me...this might be slightly weak but its probably what i would do in the moment...
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Old 06-06-2005, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: KQs versus a fish, a tag and a 2+2er

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with KQo (your hand) - i would probably puss out and fold when its two back to me...this might be slightly weak but its probably what i would do in the moment...

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i felt the pot was way too big to fold (converter screwed up the pot size - it should be 16sb at the start) - with the bd flush and straight draws and my king and queen outs... splashing around is better than folding once the pot is that big imo.
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