KJo > River (2/4)

[beset7]

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what's his pfr percentage?

if he was on a draw, his flop raise was a very bad play imo. the free card play gains about 0,33 small bets if it succeeds (and costs 0,33 or 0,66 sb if it fails) and every lost caller costs about 0,33 sb. i cant imagine that there is any chance that a free card play is any good here (and it is not even close).
if you think he will make this move anyway the chance that he is on a draw is not decreased of course. but i think most player who are capable of the free card play would agree that this is no good spot for it.

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PFR is around 20 over 120 hands or so.

I like your analysis. I'll remember it for when I'm playing against more reasonable opponents.

EDIT: Maybe I Should have also mentioned that this game had just gone from 4 handed to 8 handed rather quickly which may have influenced my willingness to so quickly put mp1 on a drawing hand.

Also, to the people who mentioned a dislike for the pf call I'm not ignoring you I just think it's so close that it's not really worth debating. I don't like raising with KJo out of position because it's hard to play the aggressor with this hand on most flops but I think it has enough equity against the range of possible holdings in small stakes games to warrant limping UTG. PT says over my last 10K I'm turning a small profit with it OOP so it's probably close and maybe just a style thing.

[jjacky]

thx.

one more point to the fpr percentage: its very high for a full or almost full ring, but if you should have gathered the information 4 handed, it would not be valid in an 8 handed game.

i think that's what the right play depends on.

i wonder what he had... can't wait for the result [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[jjacky]

i use all options i similar situations preflop. but i do only raise if the opposition tends to be passive pf since you are in too bad a shape if you get reraised and isolated.

[kslghost]

fold preflop to avoid these situations. You could even be behind AJ. You'll never have any idea playing this way.

[jjacky]

i fold this one pretty often, but i think you give up too much if you fold it against very fishy opponents.

often situations like this occur: i raise preflop, get 2 cold caller, the flop comes face high and misses me, i bet the flop and everyone folds.
these guys often cold call with garbage and then fold if they miss the flop, or go all the way (or at least to the river) if they flop a low pair.

[beset7]

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fold preflop to avoid these situations. You could even be behind AJ. You'll never have any idea playing this way.

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I've yet to meet a player with stats like this guy who would limp AJ in position but point taken. Folding preflop is reasonable as whatever edge you will have with KJo is going to be small.

[beset7]

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i wonder what he had... can't wait for the result [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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He had 98o and got there on the river. He was making a boneheaded free card play and I charged him the max and felt pretty good about it. I think the river was my main error (and the reason why I posted this hand) but some of you seem to think bet/call is better then check/call.